Definitive - Hitting the limiter?

TypeRiter · 19th June 2009, 08:38

Morning Guys,

I've been reading, and searching random threads for a definitive answer on the effects of 'hitting the rev-limiter' - I found snippets:

- Not particularly bad as the rev-limiter is in place to protect the engine, so it's fine.

- However, it would obviously not be advisable to drive down the road in first or second (or any gear for that matter) bouncing off of the limiter.

I'm au fait with the fact that down-shifting and exceeding the revo in that manner has potentially detrimental effects - but what about on the way up?

Is there any more info to consider? Is what I have in bold correct above? can it be expanded upon or bettered?

Appreciate the assistance...

BTW, I only hit the rev-limiter in first (about 4/5 times in 920 miles since brand new - how bad is that?).

TypeRiter

Mr JP · 19th June 2009, 08:41

The thing to remember is not to do it when cold, if the car is warm rev away, it is no accident that the rev limiter is where it is, Honda put it there for a reason and it is perfectly safe to hit it in any gear (road conditions and the law permitting).

TypeRiter · 19th June 2009, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Mr JP

The thing to remember is not to do it when cold, if the car is warm rev away, it is no accident that the rev limiter is where it is, Honda put it there for a reason and it is perfectly safe to hit it in any gear (road conditions and the law permitting).

Cheers JP, how's it hanging with the S2K? (and those pics, dammit?

)

Yeah - I only ever start Vtec-in' after at least 10-15 mins of driving - that sufficient?

Out of interest how often did you hit the limiter, if you don't mind me asking?

Is the burning smell that follows bad?

Mr JP · 19th June 2009, 08:52

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Originally Posted by TypeRiter

Cheers JP, how's it hanging with the S2K? (and those pics, dammit?

)

Yeah - I only ever start Vtec-in' after at least 10-15 mins of driving - that sufficient?

Out of interest how often did you hit the limiter, if you don't mind me asking?

Is the burning smell that follows bad?

S2K pics this weekend I promise, I've still not done 650 miles to run her in yet! but I'm happy with it yeah.

yes 10-15 mins is fine, as soon as the car allows you to Vtec really, otherwise Honda could have easily added another failsafe if it was needed like they do for Vtec when cold.

I don't think the burning is linked to actually hitting the limiter but hard driving in itself, it's quite normal and many owners report it, it can be the clutch, oil burning off, tyres, a little bit of grease or substance in the exhaust system or a combination of all of these, but it's normal.

TypeRiter · 19th June 2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Mr JP

S2K pics this weekend I promise, I've still not done 650 miles to run her in yet! but I'm happy with it yeah.

yes 10-15 mins is fine, as soon as the car allows you to Vtec really, otherwise Honda could have easily added another failsafe if it was needed like they do for Vtec when cold.

I don't think the burning is linked to actually hitting the limiter but hard driving in itself, it's quite normal and many owners report it, it can be the clutch, oil burning off, tyres, a little bit of grease or substance in the exhaust system or a combination of all of these, but it's normal.

Looking forward to the pics matey.. I get the feeling some modding maybe in store for the S2K , judging from your Alabaster..

There is a failsafe for vtecin' in the cold? didn't know that (not that I would even contemplate it)

At least the buring smell is universally experienced - I hsouldn't have anything to worry about then, just yet.. he hopes..

Mr JP · 19th June 2009, 09:02

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Originally Posted by TypeRiter

Looking forward to the pics matey.. I get the feeling some modding maybe in store for the S2K , judging from your Alabaster..

There is a failsafe for vtecin' in the cold? didn't know that (not that I would even contemplate it)

At least the buring smell is universally experienced - I hsouldn't have anything to worry about then, just yet.. he hopes..

We shall see, will have to be a turbo or supercharger if I do anything but I think I might have to wait until I'm 25 for insurance reasons.

Yep the cam change / Vtec doesn't happen until the car is at operating temperature. This is ECU controlled, as is the rev limiter.

Don't worry about driving the car hard or hitting the limiter, the biggest thing to remember is regularly check your oil and keep it topped up, and you will be fine.

Just one final point, I used to hit the limiter all the time and that was with it at 8600rpm with the Hondata, so 8300rpm you can hit all day long

TypeRiter · 19th June 2009, 10:14

Thanks again JP, so really and trully I have done nothing to worry about..

TypeRiter · 17th July 2009, 21:15

So I got a touch exuberent just now.. And pushed a downshift that sent me into the shift-up light range, (approx 7,200 - 7,600 rpm) - not once did I go over the limiter during the shift although it sent me scarily close to it - but I did shortly after my downshift hit the limiter afterwards briefly (normal acceleration - the downshift sent me so high up the rev range, I had a very, very small window before I had to shift up, and I'm afraid to say I missed it and ended up hitting the limiter).. How bad is this, in the context of limiter hitting?

Bad? Or not an issue as It wasn't forcibly sent past the limter/hitting the limiter?

Thanks in advance..

P.S I love my CTR, but I have a really, really bloody annoying squeak coming from the dash after 1526 miles only.. It is pi55ing me right off.. even moreso because I can't locate it.. God'dammit.. The niggles really are ticking me off... but that engine, my it's an extraordinary piece of technology... and a thirsty one too

Dimplyred · 17th July 2009, 21:40

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Originally Posted by TypeRiter

Bad? Or not an issue as It wasn't forcibly sent past the limter/hitting the limiter?

If you hit the limiter when accelerating and didn't force the engine to spin by mis-shifting into a gear that would do this then you'll be fine. The limiter is there to protect the engine, so it's just doing it's job.

TypeRiter · 17th July 2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

If you hit the limiter when accelerating and didn't force the engine to spin by mis-shifting into a gear that would do this then you'll be fine. The limiter is there to protect the engine, so it's just doing it's job.

Although my downshift took me into the regions of almost 7,600rpm? I can categorically state that the highest a downshift forced the engine was upto about 7,600rpm - So I guess that's just short, ever so short, of a buzzinf right? I know this, because I almost immediately after hit the limiter accelerating, after the downshift.

Out of interest DR, how long have you had your CTR? Mileage ect.. If you don't mind me asking? Not at all doubting your experience/knowledge, just noticed from your profile page that your CTR is pretty much a baby at 4,500 miles on the clock (unless it's not been updated)

Oh and I'm loving the TSW's

Dimplyred · 17th July 2009, 21:46

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Originally Posted by TypeRiter

Although my downshift took me into the regions of almost 7,600rpm? I can categorically state that the highest a downshift forced the engine was upto about 7,600rpm - So I guess that's just short, ever so short, of a buzzinf right? I know this, because I almost immediately after hit the limiter accelerating, after the downshift.

Downshifting, causing the engine to hit 7,600rpm is nothing to worry about.

TypeRiter · 17th July 2009, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Downshifting, causing the engine to hit 7,600rpm is nothing to worry about.

It's amazing the way it sends you back into the zone though

Thanks for your assistance man

Dimplyred · 17th July 2009, 22:15

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Originally Posted by TypeRiter

Out of interest DR, how long have you had your CTR? Mileage ect.. If you don't mind me asking? Not at all doubting your experience/knowledge, just noticed from your profile page that your CTR is pretty much a baby at 4,500 miles on the clock (unless it's not been updated)

Oh and I'm loving the TSW's

I've had it since November 2007. The mileage is around 6,500 now. It's used more at the weekends to be honest that's why the mileage is quite low.

The TSW's have been relegated to winter wheels as I now have a set of Rages.

Profile now updated.

outkastchris · 17th July 2009, 22:39

reading through the big old hand book it say about the maximum speeds for each gear i think 34mph was the limit for 1st and 99mph for 3rd

Mr JP · 17th July 2009, 22:56

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Originally Posted by outkastchris

reading through the big old hand book it say about the maximum speeds for each gear i think 34mph was the limit for 1st and 99mph for 3rd

Not sure that's quite right.

TypeRiter · 18th July 2009, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

I've had it since November 2007. The mileage is around 6,500 now. It's used more at the weekends to be honest that's why the mileage is quite low.

The TSW's have been relegated to winter wheels as I now have a set of Rages.

Profile now updated.

Blimey that's nothing in terms of mileage - considering you've had her nigh on 18 months..

19th June 2009, 08:38	#1 (permalink)
TypeRiter Sold a kidney last week! Car: Nighthawk Black EP3 Join Date: 27th May 2009 Location: Ealing Posts: 3,309 Thanks: 145 Thanked 167 Times in 165 Posts iTrader: (6)	Definitive - Hitting the limiter? Morning Guys, I've been reading, and searching random threads for a definitive answer on the effects of 'hitting the rev-limiter' - I found snippets: - Not particularly bad as the rev-limiter is in place to protect the engine, so it's fine. - However, it would obviously not be advisable to drive down the road in first or second (or any gear for that matter) bouncing off of the limiter. I'm au fait with the fact that down-shifting and exceeding the revo in that manner has potentially detrimental effects - but what about on the way up? Is there any more info to consider? Is what I have in bold correct above? can it be expanded upon or bettered? Appreciate the assistance... BTW, I only hit the rev-limiter in first (about 4/5 times in 920 miles since brand new - how bad is that?). TypeRiter

17th July 2009, 21:15	#8 (permalink)
TypeRiter Sold a kidney last week! Thread starter Car: Nighthawk Black EP3 Join Date: 27th May 2009 Location: Ealing Posts: 3,309 Thanks: 145 Thanked 167 Times in 165 Posts iTrader: (6)	So I got a touch exuberent just now.. And pushed a downshift that sent me into the shift-up light range, (approx 7,200 - 7,600 rpm) - not once did I go over the limiter during the shift although it sent me scarily close to it - but I did shortly after my downshift hit the limiter afterwards briefly (normal acceleration - the downshift sent me so high up the rev range, I had a very, very small window before I had to shift up, and I'm afraid to say I missed it and ended up hitting the limiter).. How bad is this, in the context of limiter hitting? Bad? Or not an issue as It wasn't forcibly sent past the limter/hitting the limiter? Thanks in advance.. P.S I love my CTR, but I have a really, really bloody annoying squeak coming from the dash after 1526 miles only.. It is pi55ing me right off.. even moreso because I can't locate it.. God'dammit.. The niggles really are ticking me off... but that engine, my it's an extraordinary piece of technology... and a thirsty one too Last edited by TypeRiter; 17th July 2009 at 21:22.

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