What single engine mod produces the best power increase?

R555 · 25th April 2010, 10:55

I'm new to N/A tuning, my last car was a 1.5 Mitsubishi Colt Turbo and after a simple remap it went from 150BHP to 216BHP.

I know that sort of increase isnt possible with the Type R, unless I went down the Supercharger route.

My question is, what mod produces the best power increase?

I'm considering the Spoon Cams, but I've no idea what BHP increase you get with them.....

The other thing I was thinking about is that if I got an air filter, exhaust, TB etc... is all that going to add up to more money than a Supercharger?

Ideally I'd just like a 30BHP increase.

pigdog · 25th April 2010, 11:05

probably flashpro, manifold and induction mate

Josh1987 · 25th April 2010, 11:18

Intake, Intake Mani (RRC) and TB (Mugen)

CPL/TDI Exhaust Mani and decent CatBack

FlashPro

THat would be it without getting into Cams and more internal parts

Not cheap mind ive spent quite abit

Saving for RRC and TB package and then a fine tuning hoping to get 220/225 if i can

Terry H · 25th April 2010, 11:23

Save your money up and buy a charger, Ill take you for a blast out in mine next week if your about, see what you think.

Josh1987 · 25th April 2010, 11:26

Yeah terry does have a point and his does sound mint

Terry while im on might be doing Saltburn tonight if you fancy a meet up and chat might try get me mate with his Ep3 out as well to check your charger out

DPG87 · 25th April 2010, 11:50

GM intake, RRC, milltek, flashpro remap I got 230...it is true that the charger is the best £/bhp but it depends on how much you want out of the car etc, terry do you retain cruise with the charger map tuning?

Terry H · 25th April 2010, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh1987

Yeah terry does have a point and his does sound mint

Terry while im on might be doing Saltburn tonight if you fancy a meet up and chat might try get me mate with his Ep3 out as well to check your charger out

Sorry to be off topic,,, But what time will you be there Josh, there was a gang there last night, I looked out for for. ?

J_H · 25th April 2010, 11:54

You know Saltburn isn't too far from me at the minute, I was planning on having a few beers tonight though... but would love to see a Supercharged CTR!

RE On topic I think the Hondata is the easiest way to get more from the engine. Not a huge top end increase but improvements in the mid range pulling power. Lots of threads on the site about it.

btw am in Darlington currently...

Terry H · 25th April 2010, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by DPG87

GM intake, RRC, milltek, flashpro remap I got 230...it is true that the charger is the best £/bhp but it depends on how much you want out of the car etc, terry do you retain cruise with the charger map tuning?

At the moment no, and the fuel guage has a mind of its own, but Paul at TDI has some software to sort it out so next month I will be able to say yes to cruise and other dash controls

Josh1987 · 25th April 2010, 12:06

Yeah MAP tuning causes loads of issue's but Hondata always updating things

Im meeting mates at Saltburn 7:30 so show ya faces if you want too usually have a good laugh

J_H · 25th April 2010, 12:09

Sounds good, would like to make a meet, but by that time I will be having a few beers! Enjoy!

Terry H · 25th April 2010, 12:09

Cheers Josh, Ill try to pop down, have you tried the fish and chips from the chippy near the pier ! yummy

RTivicCype · 25th April 2010, 12:23

I take it your previous car was a Colt CZT? they are pocket rockets

Back on topic, As said before i think u could achieve 30bhp easily with HKS Racing Suction or GruppeM, Milltek & Hondata Flashpro and possibly more with a good manifold.

Josh1987 · 25th April 2010, 12:28

30 BHP with GM and Milltek and FLashPro are you sure ?

DPG87 · 25th April 2010, 12:51

Well that's what the dyno at TDI said, you need to bear in mind that some CTR's are pushing out close to 210 bhp stock, I didn't get a dyno done first but I'm guessing mines could have been pretty strong...I have RRC aswell

I'd be interested to see the full dash functionality with map tuning, must be an intelligent piece of software to do that given pretty much all the comp functions are dependent on the maf sensor...great news!

bananaman · 25th April 2010, 12:53

Vinyl stripes?

TypeRiter · 25th April 2010, 14:14

Kpro.

Cams, this that and the other are all good - but you'll only ever reap their (Aftermarket cams) 'power' benefits if it's mapped - if 'power' is what you're after.

Not sure Honda Cams from other engines will require mapping IIRC, but then if it's single most powerful mods you're after, and you're considering 'camming it' - then wouldn't you be going aftermarket? Rather than cams from another OEM engine?

Kpro is the single most beneficial part IMO - it has the ability to get the best out of a stock 'in tolerance' set-up.. so with mods and everything else can that be bolted on down the line, they can be configured to their max potential with the Kpro.

For 30bhp, you'd need a header, perhaps an inlet mani, an unrestrictive exhaust, proven intake, mapped with the Kpro IMO, maybe more.

Race headers/decats are where it's at - they bring the power, but come with their own inconveniences.

Cams and that sort of stuff is then worth thinking about later..

But for the parts I described above - you could more or less get a S/C - but then I don't know if I'd just want a S/C without the list of parts above. Basically S/C on a stock car.

Get both, the list of parts (exhaust, header, intake etc.), and a S/C.

Edit: Kpro = Flashpro.

I don't think you can get 30bhp with just an intake and an exhaust, mapped.

Re-edit: Mugen Socks are good for 37bhp - you just don't notice it as the FN2 has a 'smoother' power delivery. Trust me; some have achieved 45bhp, after a wash and tumble dry.

coste1l · 25th April 2010, 16:04

civinfo sticker in the back window must be good for an extra 15bhp?

tdi-north · 25th April 2010, 17:04

Best 2 mods are an LSD and Hondata flashpro.

Don't get caught up with peak bhp figures it's the midrange you are using 95% of the time and handling.

R555 · 25th April 2010, 17:24

I've got the Mugen Suspension on order, will that work well with an LSD?

Does Hondata make alot of difference to a car with no other mods?

25th April 2010, 10:55	#1 (permalink)
R555 Supporter Car: 2007 CTR, Milano Red Join Date: 17th November 2009 Location: North Yorks Posts: 5,142 Thanks given: 819 Thanked 403 Times in 376 Posts iTrader: (6)	What single engine mod produces the best power increase? I'm new to N/A tuning, my last car was a 1.5 Mitsubishi Colt Turbo and after a simple remap it went from 150BHP to 216BHP. I know that sort of increase isnt possible with the Type R, unless I went down the Supercharger route. My question is, what mod produces the best power increase? I'm considering the Spoon Cams, but I've no idea what BHP increase you get with them..... The other thing I was thinking about is that if I got an air filter, exhaust, TB etc... is all that going to add up to more money than a Supercharger? Ideally I'd just like a 30BHP increase.

25th April 2010, 14:14	#17 (permalink)
TypeRiter Sold a kidney last week! Car: Integra Type-R (DC5) Join Date: 27th May 2009 Location: Ealing Posts: 3,918 Thanks given: 308 Thanked 219 Times in 212 Posts iTrader: (7)	Kpro. Cams, this that and the other are all good - but you'll only ever reap their (Aftermarket cams) 'power' benefits if it's mapped - if 'power' is what you're after. Not sure Honda Cams from other engines will require mapping IIRC, but then if it's single most powerful mods you're after, and you're considering 'camming it' - then wouldn't you be going aftermarket? Rather than cams from another OEM engine? Kpro is the single most beneficial part IMO - it has the ability to get the best out of a stock 'in tolerance' set-up.. so with mods and everything else can that be bolted on down the line, they can be configured to their max potential with the Kpro. For 30bhp, you'd need a header, perhaps an inlet mani, an unrestrictive exhaust, proven intake, mapped with the Kpro IMO, maybe more. Race headers/decats are where it's at - they bring the power, but come with their own inconveniences. Cams and that sort of stuff is then worth thinking about later.. But for the parts I described above - you could more or less get a S/C - but then I don't know if I'd just want a S/C without the list of parts above. Basically S/C on a stock car. Get both, the list of parts (exhaust, header, intake etc.), and a S/C. Edit: Kpro = Flashpro. I don't think you can get 30bhp with just an intake and an exhaust, mapped. Re-edit: Mugen Socks are good for 37bhp - you just don't notice it as the FN2 has a 'smoother' power delivery. Trust me; some have achieved 45bhp, after a wash and tumble dry. Last edited by TypeRiter; 25th April 2010 at 14:55.

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25th April 2010, 11:05	#2 (permalink)
pigdog aka Colin Car: 2008 CTR GT, Black Join Date: 19th April 2008 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 8,025 Thanks given: 626 Thanked 869 Times in 832 Posts iTrader: (6)	probably flashpro, manifold and induction mate

25th April 2010, 11:18	#3 (permalink)
Josh1987 The White Knight Car: 2009 CTR CW Join Date: 4th May 2009 Location: Pickering Posts: 1,471 Thanks given: 14 Thanked 71 Times in 66 Posts iTrader: (3)	Intake, Intake Mani (RRC) and TB (Mugen) CPL/TDI Exhaust Mani and decent CatBack FlashPro THat would be it without getting into Cams and more internal parts Not cheap mind ive spent quite abit Saving for RRC and TB package and then a fine tuning hoping to get 220/225 if i can

25th April 2010, 11:23	#4 (permalink)
Terry H Supporter Join Date: 20th September 2008 Location: UK Cleveland Posts: 2,303 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 107 Times in 91 Posts iTrader: (4)	Save your money up and buy a charger, Ill take you for a blast out in mine next week if your about, see what you think.

25th April 2010, 11:26	#5 (permalink)
Josh1987 The White Knight Car: 2009 CTR CW Join Date: 4th May 2009 Location: Pickering Posts: 1,471 Thanks given: 14 Thanked 71 Times in 66 Posts iTrader: (3)	Yeah terry does have a point and his does sound mint Terry while im on might be doing Saltburn tonight if you fancy a meet up and chat might try get me mate with his Ep3 out as well to check your charger out

25th April 2010, 11:50	#6 (permalink)
DPG87 Aye Aye.... Car: 2009 CTR, Milano Join Date: 1st July 2009 Location: Glasgow Posts: 6,205 Thanks given: 482 Thanked 767 Times in 721 Posts iTrader: (9)	GM intake, RRC, milltek, flashpro remap I got 230...it is true that the charger is the best £/bhp but it depends on how much you want out of the car etc, terry do you retain cruise with the charger map tuning?

25th April 2010, 11:54	#8 (permalink)
J_H i-VTEC - DO YOU? Car: 2009 CTR, Black Join Date: 11th December 2008 Location: Woking, UK Posts: 3,055 Thanks given: 21 Thanked 215 Times in 200 Posts iTrader: (3)	You know Saltburn isn't too far from me at the minute, I was planning on having a few beers tonight though... but would love to see a Supercharged CTR! RE On topic I think the Hondata is the easiest way to get more from the engine. Not a huge top end increase but improvements in the mid range pulling power. Lots of threads on the site about it. btw am in Darlington currently...

25th April 2010, 12:06	#10 (permalink)
Josh1987 The White Knight Car: 2009 CTR CW Join Date: 4th May 2009 Location: Pickering Posts: 1,471 Thanks given: 14 Thanked 71 Times in 66 Posts iTrader: (3)	Yeah MAP tuning causes loads of issue's but Hondata always updating things Im meeting mates at Saltburn 7:30 so show ya faces if you want too usually have a good laugh

25th April 2010, 12:09	#11 (permalink)
J_H i-VTEC - DO YOU? Car: 2009 CTR, Black Join Date: 11th December 2008 Location: Woking, UK Posts: 3,055 Thanks given: 21 Thanked 215 Times in 200 Posts iTrader: (3)	Sounds good, would like to make a meet, but by that time I will be having a few beers! Enjoy!

25th April 2010, 12:09	#12 (permalink)
Terry H Supporter Join Date: 20th September 2008 Location: UK Cleveland Posts: 2,303 Thanks given: 129 Thanked 107 Times in 91 Posts iTrader: (4)	Cheers Josh, Ill try to pop down, have you tried the fish and chips from the chippy near the pier ! yummy

25th April 2010, 12:23	#13 (permalink)
RTivicCype Join Date: 10th December 2009 Location: Cheshire,UK Posts: 125 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts iTrader: (0)	I take it your previous car was a Colt CZT? they are pocket rockets Back on topic, As said before i think u could achieve 30bhp easily with HKS Racing Suction or GruppeM, Milltek & Hondata Flashpro and possibly more with a good manifold.

25th April 2010, 12:28	#14 (permalink)
Josh1987 The White Knight Car: 2009 CTR CW Join Date: 4th May 2009 Location: Pickering Posts: 1,471 Thanks given: 14 Thanked 71 Times in 66 Posts iTrader: (3)	30 BHP with GM and Milltek and FLashPro are you sure ?

25th April 2010, 12:51	#15 (permalink)
DPG87 Aye Aye.... Car: 2009 CTR, Milano Join Date: 1st July 2009 Location: Glasgow Posts: 6,205 Thanks given: 482 Thanked 767 Times in 721 Posts iTrader: (9)	Well that's what the dyno at TDI said, you need to bear in mind that some CTR's are pushing out close to 210 bhp stock, I didn't get a dyno done first but I'm guessing mines could have been pretty strong...I have RRC aswell I'd be interested to see the full dash functionality with map tuning, must be an intelligent piece of software to do that given pretty much all the comp functions are dependent on the maf sensor...great news!

25th April 2010, 12:53	#16 (permalink)
bananaman Car: 2006 1.8 ES, NHB Join Date: 15th September 2009 Location: London Posts: 58 Thanks given: 19 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (1)	Vinyl stripes?

25th April 2010, 16:04	#18 (permalink)
coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 17,880 Thanks given: 1,113 Thanked 1,990 Times in 1,877 Posts iTrader: (15)	civinfo sticker in the back window must be good for an extra 15bhp?

25th April 2010, 17:04	#19 (permalink)
tdi-north Commercial user Join Date: 3rd May 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 3,890 Thanks given: 131 Thanked 603 Times in 463 Posts iTrader: (0)	Best 2 mods are an LSD and Hondata flashpro. Don't get caught up with peak bhp figures it's the midrange you are using 95% of the time and handling.

25th April 2010, 17:24	#20 (permalink)
R555 Supporter Thread starter Car: 2007 CTR, Milano Red Join Date: 17th November 2009 Location: North Yorks Posts: 5,142 Thanks given: 819 Thanked 403 Times in 376 Posts iTrader: (6)	I've got the Mugen Suspension on order, will that work well with an LSD? Does Hondata make alot of difference to a car with no other mods?