CTRR - It's official!

PJS · 28th June 2007, 16:37

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/28/o...civic-mugen-rr

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It was rumored yesterday, and it's real today. Come September 13, Japanese enthusiasts will be able to order up the hottest Civic Type R yet. The already-impressive R gets the full once-over from Mugen, and the result is the Honda Civic Mugen RR.
.....
Availability is limited to 300 cars, all in the Milan Red finish shown, and the pricing in Japan has been set at ¥4,777,500 ($38,750 USD).

FWH · 28th June 2007, 16:40

4 door

czechplastik · 28th June 2007, 16:45

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Originally Posted by FWH

4 door

Exactly...

Colin Jolly · 28th June 2007, 16:50

Yum, but hatch would be better

illegalhunter · 28th June 2007, 17:10

is this the same engine thats in the fn2

PJS · 28th June 2007, 17:45

Yes.
JDM CTR is saloon.
Our CTR is Europe only, IIRC.

czechplastik · 28th June 2007, 17:56

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Originally Posted by PJS

Yes.
JDM CTR is saloon.
Our CTR is Europe only, IIRC.

Australia now too...

TTDegs · 28th June 2007, 18:22

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Originally Posted by illegalhunter

is this the same engine thats in the fn2

I'm guessing not...
"the freer-breathing Mugen RR picks up 15 horsepower over the regular Type R. It's rated at 240 horses at 8,000 rpm and 160 lb-ft at 7,000 rpm."
which implies that the standard engine gives 225 horses - 25 more than our R

PJS · 28th June 2007, 19:51

Bear in mind that the Japs use 100 RON fuel, or rather, have more access to it - as such, the ECU will be mapped accordingly to make full use of it.
As for 15 bhp with air intake, and exhaust changed to Mugen, inc. header, I'd have thought 20 would be nearer the mark.
With a limited run of 300 cars, you can bet the engine is the same - they'd not spend the money modifying it, but are probably hand-built blueprinted ones.
So in all likelihood, this is the same engine only highly fettled to pull those numbers out of it.

illegalhunter · 28th June 2007, 20:08

some how i dont think they would develop 2 different engines for the same car ,more or less

FWH · 28th June 2007, 20:10

All comes down to what you mean by the "same" engine.
Some components may well have been changed.
Eg intake, exhaust.

sfboy · 28th June 2007, 22:32

Why?? Surely if you wanted a performance saloon you'd get an rs4 or something?

czechplastik · 28th June 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by sfboy

Why?? Surely if you wanted a performance saloon you'd get an rs4 or something?

I think cost is the big factor in that sfboy.

PJS · 28th June 2007, 23:35

Insurance? Emissions? Weight?
And most important surely, Reliability?

WavyD · 29th June 2007, 00:06

I have seen pictures (about week and a half ago) of a Type RR Hatch, with the racing air intake on the roof etc. I think that it was on Yahoo Cars! (Can't remember as I do so much surfing for Honda's these days!) That also had a figure of 300 production units!
Maybe they are planning 2 models, 1 for each of the markets!

PJS · 29th June 2007, 00:17

You sure that wasn't the rally car done by the Italian company?
Homologation would require a quantity, and roof scoop sounds about right for a rally car.

WavyD · 29th June 2007, 00:25

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Originally Posted by PJS

You sure that wasn't the rally car done by the Italian company?
Homologation would require a quantity, and roof scoop sounds about right for a rally car.

It did look like the rally version, but non of the livery. The article was short of detail, but it did call it a Type-RR. You know what journalists are like, it may have been a photoshop recolour of the rally version! It did look good( The roof scoop does look impractical for the IMO car wash around the corner from me!) LOL

lukits01 · 29th June 2007, 08:43

The Hatch Type-RR is the JAS Motorsport Rally car
You can find all the info and parts on their official website

You can actually buy the whole kit, be prepared to be shocked by the price ahahha among other things, it includes full sequential gearbox

illegalhunter · 29th June 2007, 09:02

With enough money id have a Ferrari never mind a Honda

dman3uk · 29th June 2007, 16:37

The fn2 and jap type r are different engines.The jap one uses tuned accord engine giving better power and torque.
They always have to go one better.

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28th June 2007, 16:40	#2 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	4 door

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Colin Jolly Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 31st October 2006 Location: Witham St Hughs, Lincoln Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yum, but hatch would be better

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illegalhunter Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,115 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	is this the same engine thats in the fn2

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PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Yes. JDM CTR is saloon. Our CTR is Europe only, IIRC.

28th June 2007, 19:51	#9 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Bear in mind that the Japs use 100 RON fuel, or rather, have more access to it - as such, the ECU will be mapped accordingly to make full use of it. As for 15 bhp with air intake, and exhaust changed to Mugen, inc. header, I'd have thought 20 would be nearer the mark. With a limited run of 300 cars, you can bet the engine is the same - they'd not spend the money modifying it, but are probably hand-built blueprinted ones. So in all likelihood, this is the same engine only highly fettled to pull those numbers out of it.

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illegalhunter Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,115 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	some how i dont think they would develop 2 different engines for the same car ,more or less

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,838 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	All comes down to what you mean by the "same" engine. Some components may well have been changed. Eg intake, exhaust.

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sfboy Wheelnut Join Date: 8th January 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Why?? Surely if you wanted a performance saloon you'd get an rs4 or something?

28th June 2007, 23:35	#14 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Insurance? Emissions? Weight? And most important surely, Reliability?

29th June 2007, 00:06	#15 (permalink)
WavyD Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th May 2007 Location: Between the Light of Day and the Shadows of Darkness! Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have seen pictures (about week and a half ago) of a Type RR Hatch, with the racing air intake on the roof etc. I think that it was on Yahoo Cars! (Can't remember as I do so much surfing for Honda's these days!) That also had a figure of 300 production units! Maybe they are planning 2 models, 1 for each of the markets!

29th June 2007, 00:17	#16 (permalink)
PJS Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 27th May 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 352 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	You sure that wasn't the rally car done by the Italian company? Homologation would require a quantity, and roof scoop sounds about right for a rally car.

29th June 2007, 08:43	#18 (permalink)
lukits01 Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 1st June 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Hatch Type-RR is the JAS Motorsport Rally car You can find all the info and parts on their official website You can actually buy the whole kit, be prepared to be shocked by the price ahahha among other things, it includes full sequential gearbox

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illegalhunter Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,115 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	With enough money id have a Ferrari never mind a Honda

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dman3uk Valve Cap Join Date: 9th May 2007 Location: Dundee Posts: 20 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The fn2 and jap type r are different engines.The jap one uses tuned accord engine giving better power and torque. They always have to go one better.