3rd gear - Page 11

uncler · 19th August 2008, 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-2

I just assumed that the gear box had 'bedded in' (don't know correct technical term) properly now. Certainly the whole gear box now feels slicker.

I don't think i changed my driving style as the problem only happened intermittently.

I too would be interested to know if others have had the problem apparently resolve itself.

Well, mine seems identical to yours R-2. Had a few issues during the first 1000 miles or so of driving - sometimes got a 'sticky' shift into 3rd, sometimes met with a crunch. However, for the past few months it hasn't happened once - I've had my friends drive the car just to check it wasn't me getting used to it and they all agree it seems fine. As you mention, perhaps just the fact that it has loosened up a bit now was all that was required!

Dawid S · 19th August 2008, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MateK

3rd and 4th syncro replaced. Nothing changed. I recently noticed that very similiar things are happening to 1st and 2nd gear. What do you think? Does it have something to do with fly wheel?

Witam/ Hello

I have also problem with 2nd gear more than 3rd gear. On the beggining I had a problem with 3rd gear, right now is almost unnoticed, don't know why, In the meanwhile has been pop up problem with 2nd gear. Dealer has noticed this problem and syncro 1st+2nd gear has been ordered. I'm wondering what did you wrote above. That Fly wheel could be responsible for improper working of gearbox

? Any news ?

Cheers

anar · 19th August 2008, 14:48

Got my car back from the workshop now, they could not find anything wrong with the gearbox when they went for a test drive. I also went for a drive with a mechanic by my side but the gearbox didnt crunch in 3rd at that time. At least I have pointed out that there is a problem now and it has been recorded. Hopefully that will help if any recall is done later... or something...

R-2 · 20th August 2008, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncler

Well, mine seems identical to yours R-2. Had a few issues during the first 1000 miles or so of driving - sometimes got a 'sticky' shift into 3rd, sometimes met with a crunch. However, for the past few months it hasn't happened once - I've had my friends drive the car just to check it wasn't me getting used to it and they all agree it seems fine. As you mention, perhaps just the fact that it has loosened up a bit now was all that was required!

Pleased to hear that Uncler. And interesting that 2 cars built very close together seem to have had exactly the same problem.

three_fitty · 29th August 2008, 14:20

Thought it would be of interest to let you know that I have on 07 plate type R and had this problem. 3rd gear was notchy and sometime popped out. Spoke to the dealer and they were aware of the issue and replaced the 3rd gear synchro. The gear box is now incredibly smooth across all gears and 3rd is no longer an issue.

shinigami · 15th October 2008, 19:23

This third gear issue doesn't always happen in my 08 type r, but when it does it makes a grinding noise and pops out. Now it makes me quite cautious everytime i go in to third and doing slower gear changes.

I have booked the car in for my dealers to look at next week, but they told me they haven't heard of this problem before. Would it be best if i pointed them in the direction of a 3rd gear synchro fix?

R-2 · 15th October 2008, 20:06

Its a well known issue. Try showing this thread to your dealer. Has been a problem on the US Civics too.

Johnny191 · 15th October 2008, 20:07

Well, according to my information, the 08 Type R specification should already include the 3rd gear synchro fix. However, as your description exactly corresponds to this problem, pointing them to this fix can certainly make sense.

Besides, tell the dealer to search for the corresponding service bulletin. Each dealer will have access to this information. My dealer also told me first he didn't know of the problem, but a look in their database confirmed the existance of a service bulletin regarding this problem.

Hope your problems will be fixed & that you can enjoy your Honda again (and especially the shifting

)

Kind regards,
John

shinigami · 15th October 2008, 20:30

thanks for the info guys, i only picked my car up yesterday and this is the only issue i have with it. It seems ok when you use more force to put it in 3rd, but any kind of laziness with the clutch or gear change it is more likely to happen, very intermittent as well.

I really hope this problem can get sorted, then i can really enjoy the car. I've had a quick read through some of the posts and it does appear that this is a well known issue, which is why i was surprised my Honda dealer said they have no knowledge of this problem.

R-2 · 15th October 2008, 20:35

Is your car a new one? Sometimes the problem improves as the car is run in. Although i had to put a few thousand miles on mine before it went away.

shinigami · 15th October 2008, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-2

Is your car a new one? Sometimes the problem improves as the car is run in. Although i had to put a few thousand miles on mine before it went away.

Its not brand new (08 plate) but only got 900 miles on it, i would of thought this would be of sufficient miles to iron out the issue a bit?

R-2 · 15th October 2008, 23:24

I think i had done at least 3000 miles before i could say the problem (which was only intermittent) had gone. I'm still going to mention it to my dealer though when my car goes in for its 1st service at the end of november.

beef4dinner · 16th October 2008, 08:38

Ewell Honda told me that if they took the gearbox out and found the syncro to not be defective I would have to bear the cost for labour. Couldn't be bothered to argue. They clearly just dont want to dedicate the man labour to do it.

woody2k4 · 20th October 2008, 18:36

took it in the first time they said i had a problem and would sort it, the second time i took it in as they forgot about it they say i havent!

They just fobbed me off!

shinigami · 20th October 2008, 19:39

I took mine in today for my dealers to have a look at the problem. We went out in a test drive and I shifted in to 3rd many times and could not replicate the problem, typical really.

But the guy was really helpful and still acknowledged the problem as he got the details about the 3rd - 4th syncro fix from a service bulletin, so now the parts are ordered and will be leaving my car there for 2 days this week.

Glad that they agreed to fix it without any hassle. However I drove 50 miles today and the gearbox was fine, but still going to take it in for the fix.

andy23ho · 22nd October 2008, 12:27

Hey having the same problem too!! Reading this post it depends on dealer to dealer if they will fix this problem!

Will ring my dealer this week to mention the problem! Any solid evidence that I can mention?

CHeers

woody2k4 · 22nd October 2008, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinigami

I took mine in today for my dealers to have a look at the problem. We went out in a test drive and I shifted in to 3rd many times and could not replicate the problem, typical really.

But the guy was really helpful and still acknowledged the problem as he got the details about the 3rd - 4th syncro fix from a service bulletin, so now the parts are ordered and will be leaving my car there for 2 days this week.

Glad that they agreed to fix it without any hassle. However I drove 50 miles today and the gearbox was fine, but still going to take it in for the fix.

Your lucky, mine were not so helpful

JWG-R-GT · 23rd October 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnthonyHook

Hi All

Took mine into my local Honda Dealer today, asked them about all warranty claims. Mine is a Type-R with 1000 miles on a 57 plate. She said "let me have a look".

So she did, there is a Handbrake Recall, 3 rd Gear recall and Flywheel Recall out for mine.

Parts been ordered, goes in next saturday to be sorted. Got a courtesy car too

Great service from Honda again.

Anthony

Did they say why the flywheel was to be replaced? whats your R number...

Cheers

John

Celestry · 23rd October 2008, 18:02

I've had mine since the beginning of October, 07 plate with 11K.... 3rd syncro problem was apparent straight from when I was leaving the dealership!
Bought it from Crewe, but took it to Warrington dealership after a weeks driving. When I called them to arrange, the chap I spoke to stated he'd never heard of such a problem. However, upon arrival on the agreed date, it was clear it was a known issue, as even the sales man was discussing it with me. Strange that the first chap denied knowledge of the problem.
Me and the tech took it out, with him driving it, and he was fully aware of the problem, and also that it was intermittent. On the final stretch back to the dealership, he crunched 3rd when coming from 4th! NOT A NICE NOISE!
He said that, even if it hadn't have popped or crunched during the drive, they would have replaced the 3rd/4th syncro anyway.
Now I wonder why the previous owner didn't bother to sort it out! Grrr (>_<)

angie4m · 23rd October 2008, 20:33

Mines was great at the start but the more miles that go on it the more the 'Third' gear issue seems to be occuring - not ideal. I have also noticed that when in higher revvs that when I put my foot on the clutch to change gear, the gear knob lunges into my hand as it seems to just jump out of the gear.

Will speak with my dealer about this on Monday I think

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19th August 2008, 14:48	#203 (permalink)
anar Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd August 2007 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Got my car back from the workshop now, they could not find anything wrong with the gearbox when they went for a test drive. I also went for a drive with a mechanic by my side but the gearbox didnt crunch in 3rd at that time. At least I have pointed out that there is a problem now and it has been recorded. Hopefully that will help if any recall is done later... or something...

29th August 2008, 14:20	#205 (permalink)
three_fitty Valve Cap Join Date: 12th February 2008 Location: Cambs, UK Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thought it would be of interest to let you know that I have on 07 plate type R and had this problem. 3rd gear was notchy and sometime popped out. Spoke to the dealer and they were aware of the issue and replaced the 3rd gear synchro. The gear box is now incredibly smooth across all gears and 3rd is no longer an issue.

15th October 2008, 19:23	#206 (permalink)
shinigami Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd July 2007 Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	This third gear issue doesn't always happen in my 08 type r, but when it does it makes a grinding noise and pops out. Now it makes me quite cautious everytime i go in to third and doing slower gear changes. I have booked the car in for my dealers to look at next week, but they told me they haven't heard of this problem before. Would it be best if i pointed them in the direction of a 3rd gear synchro fix?

15th October 2008, 20:06	#207 (permalink)
R-2 Type R Brigade member Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 1st October 2007 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 848 Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	Its a well known issue. Try showing this thread to your dealer. Has been a problem on the US Civics too.

15th October 2008, 20:07	#208 (permalink)
Johnny191 Valve Cap Join Date: 8th December 2007 Location: Brielle, NL Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well, according to my information, the 08 Type R specification should already include the 3rd gear synchro fix. However, as your description exactly corresponds to this problem, pointing them to this fix can certainly make sense. Besides, tell the dealer to search for the corresponding service bulletin. Each dealer will have access to this information. My dealer also told me first he didn't know of the problem, but a look in their database confirmed the existance of a service bulletin regarding this problem. Hope your problems will be fixed & that you can enjoy your Honda again (and especially the shifting ) Kind regards, John

15th October 2008, 20:30	#209 (permalink)
shinigami Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd July 2007 Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	thanks for the info guys, i only picked my car up yesterday and this is the only issue i have with it. It seems ok when you use more force to put it in 3rd, but any kind of laziness with the clutch or gear change it is more likely to happen, very intermittent as well. I really hope this problem can get sorted, then i can really enjoy the car. I've had a quick read through some of the posts and it does appear that this is a well known issue, which is why i was surprised my Honda dealer said they have no knowledge of this problem.

15th October 2008, 20:35	#210 (permalink)
R-2 Type R Brigade member Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 1st October 2007 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 848 Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	Is your car a new one? Sometimes the problem improves as the car is run in. Although i had to put a few thousand miles on mine before it went away.

15th October 2008, 23:24	#212 (permalink)
R-2 Type R Brigade member Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 1st October 2007 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 848 Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	I think i had done at least 3000 miles before i could say the problem (which was only intermittent) had gone. I'm still going to mention it to my dealer though when my car goes in for its 1st service at the end of november.

20th October 2008, 18:36	#214 (permalink)
woody2k4 Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 10th December 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 246 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	took it in the first time they said i had a problem and would sort it, the second time i took it in as they forgot about it they say i havent! They just fobbed me off!

20th October 2008, 19:39	#215 (permalink)
shinigami Valve Cap Join Date: 2nd July 2007 Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I took mine in today for my dealers to have a look at the problem. We went out in a test drive and I shifted in to 3rd many times and could not replicate the problem, typical really. But the guy was really helpful and still acknowledged the problem as he got the details about the 3rd - 4th syncro fix from a service bulletin, so now the parts are ordered and will be leaving my car there for 2 days this week. Glad that they agreed to fix it without any hassle. However I drove 50 miles today and the gearbox was fine, but still going to take it in for the fix.

22nd October 2008, 12:27	#216 (permalink)
andy23ho Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 2nd April 2008 Location: Newcastle Posts: 136 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Hey having the same problem too!! Reading this post it depends on dealer to dealer if they will fix this problem! Will ring my dealer this week to mention the problem! Any solid evidence that I can mention? CHeers

23rd October 2008, 18:02	#219 (permalink)
Celestry Valve Cap Join Date: 15th September 2008 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've had mine since the beginning of October, 07 plate with 11K.... 3rd syncro problem was apparent straight from when I was leaving the dealership! Bought it from Crewe, but took it to Warrington dealership after a weeks driving. When I called them to arrange, the chap I spoke to stated he'd never heard of such a problem. However, upon arrival on the agreed date, it was clear it was a known issue, as even the sales man was discussing it with me. Strange that the first chap denied knowledge of the problem. Me and the tech took it out, with him driving it, and he was fully aware of the problem, and also that it was intermittent. On the final stretch back to the dealership, he crunched 3rd when coming from 4th! NOT A NICE NOISE! He said that, even if it hadn't have popped or crunched during the drive, they would have replaced the 3rd/4th syncro anyway. Now I wonder why the previous owner didn't bother to sort it out! Grrr (>_<)

23rd October 2008, 20:33	#220 (permalink)
angie4m Naughty but nice Civinfo guru Join Date: 28th September 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,336 Thanks: 25 Thanked 50 Times in 50 Posts iTrader: (0)	Mines was great at the start but the more miles that go on it the more the 'Third' gear issue seems to be occuring - not ideal. I have also noticed that when in higher revvs that when I put my foot on the clutch to change gear, the gear knob lunges into my hand as it seems to just jump out of the gear. Will speak with my dealer about this on Monday I think