Type R vs Type S CTDI ? - Page 2

Cap · 10th August 2007, 20:19

Best answere

Pottsy · 10th August 2007, 20:28

The mid range performance of the diesel, when chipped, is very good compared to the R (see pic below). But if you want excitement, nothing comes close to the R for the price.

r_vs_2b.gif

illegalhunter · 10th August 2007, 20:33

Get the R , diesel is for old guys & JCBs

gorgonzola · 10th August 2007, 20:33

ok I ask u where and how do you chip it? and with what exactly....does in obviously increase the KW or HP reading right? Is the un-chiped far worse...

gorgonzola · 10th August 2007, 20:37

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Originally Posted by illegalhunter

Get the R , diesel is for old guys & JCBs

The thing is, its great having type R on track but real life is a different story...I mean I dont drive to work through brands hatch but through many traffic lights on long journeys (3-5) hours would the type R bee a bit of a pain and a monster on fuel consumption....

If driven nicely does the i-VTEC engine of Type R still drink a hell of a lot cause my Megane II 2.0 L used to must say !

illegalhunter · 10th August 2007, 21:02

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Originally Posted by gorgonzola

The thing is, its great having type R on track but real life is a different story...I mean I dont drive to work through brands hatch but through many traffic lights on long journeys (3-5) hours would the type R bee a bit of a pain and a monster on fuel consumption....

If driven nicely does the i-VTEC engine of Type R still drink a hell of a lot cause my Megane II 2.0 L used to must say !

if i bought a type r for fuel ecco then i would be cidding myself. My cooper s does 32 in the town.

Type S Bournemouth · 10th August 2007, 23:44

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Originally Posted by illegalhunter

Get the R , diesel is for old guys & JCBs

You obviously havent driven one then. Certainly isnt for old boys.!!!!!

w.car · 11th August 2007, 01:01

type r y u want a type s TYPE R ALLL THE WAY

Pottsy · 11th August 2007, 06:35

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Originally Posted by gorgonzola

ok I ask u where and how do you chip it? and with what exactly....does in obviously increase the KW or HP reading right? Is the un-chiped far worse...

Have a look here:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...adprefix=Remap

Cap · 11th August 2007, 10:51

Keep in mind, chiping is not legal without paying extra taxes etc, atleast not in my country..

Take both of them for 1 hour spin, and then decide, and keep in mind the R is twice as expensive when it comes to fuelconsumption....
But i think service intervalls ar more frequent on the diesel....
When the Type R can beat the ford focus ST 225hp, high torque (above 300Nm) in "fun to drive" and keep up with it on the track, i dont think dthe CDTI will....

So i guess if you put "thrill" and "image" as a big factor, the answere is R.
If you put "economy" and "laidback ride" then its the CDTI.

gorgonzola · 11th August 2007, 11:01

I see.... I was more along the lines of perhaps asking the dealer here to just re-map it or to know where to be able to re-map the engine...

Was just doing a bit of reading up on the forum, and have noticed that the diesel has a rather low Kw power compared to the rivals.

Here the Series 1 BMW has a very very similar if not identical price, whilst the 120d stands at 130Kw! thats 177Hp!!!! vs Honda's 140

Quite saddened by that actually. Its like I don't want to like or even respect the BMW and then they go ahead and do this. Plus surely the 1 series will have very good driving capability even compared to the S. Being rear well drive etc. Hmmmmmmmmmm....

Yes Type R is more image and the thrill of driving just thing the roads here are not up to that quite frankly....type S is far from a wallowy ride if my standard Megane II with 17" was a screamer handling wise, contrary to ***'s belief....

AAAAAAAAhhhhh what to do.... BMW 1 ?

gorgonzola · 11th August 2007, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

Have a look here:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...adprefix=Remap

Can one order the chip from UK and install it here at the dealer? or somwhere else here that does that but may not have the chip here? Is that at all possible?

Pottsy · 11th August 2007, 11:19

No - they are not a chip as such. The seller plugs a computer into the diagnostic socket on the car and uploads new software.

gorgonzola · 11th August 2007, 11:41

I see.....right....so need to speak with dealer......

How come it has such low Hp the diesel? This is the same engine that broke 19 diesel records????

zio · 11th August 2007, 11:45

You can defintely buy the Type-R mesh to fit to a Type-S as I've been seriously considering doing it myself. Though I have to say, I've grown to quite like the front of my Type-S as it is.

Echoing other people's thoughts here - I would've loved a Type-R but it would've cost a lot more to buy and the cheapest insurance quote I got was twice what it costs to insure my Type-S. Plus there's the fuel economy issue.

That said, if there really was no difference in initial purchase price my decision making could've so easily gone the other way.

FireStarter · 11th August 2007, 12:48

Well I've had both, and what am I driving now...........TYPE R ...... and am a high mileage driver 8000 miles since May and have never looked back (Well only at the people I fly past) Fuel consumption will depend on your driving style, take it easy and its very good, but the whole thing about an R is fun and the grin factor........

gorgonzola · 11th August 2007, 13:05

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Originally Posted by FireStarter

Well I've had both, and what am I driving now...........TYPE R ...... and am a high mileage driver 8000 miles since May and have never looked back (Well only at the people I fly past) Fuel consumption will depend on your driving style, take it easy and its very good, but the whole thing about an R is fun and the grin factor........

I think you may be right just sms'd a friend of mine he as a peugeot 2l GTI his consumption is around the 11l per 100 km park and more if he steps on it but he says just don't drive like a monkey should be fine.

Here is the thing how come a BMW new 1 series 120 D has 170 hp 320 nm torque surely that is a hot hatch in its own right???? I mean up to the early 2000's that was a power car? no?

Pottsy · 11th August 2007, 14:42

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Originally Posted by gorgonzola

Here is the thing how come a BMW new 1 series 120 D has 170 hp 320 nm torque surely that is a hot hatch in its own right???? I mean up to the early 2000's that was a power car? no?

A 120D to the same spec as a Civic EX is £26,000 (cf £18,500). It has to have more power for the price. Having said that, my EX has 190 bhp...

gorgonzola · 11th August 2007, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

A 120D to the same spec as a Civic EX is £26,000 (cf £18,500). It has to have more power for the price. Having said that, my EX has 190 bhp...

But thats atleasstt another 1000 pounds you put in right? for that to work...

I dunno weird.....I think it makes really little sense the pricing here....terrible I like the honda now must pay for it...

Still slightly tilted towards the R cause of its on par price with the diesel....it all depents if I can get my hands on re-mapping or not, but all that means pouring mooooreee money into the diesel which makes it EVEN more expensive than the R .....see what I mean....its like all that and u still get massed by the R on the highway

or on streets

heheheeh

smeg9 · 11th August 2007, 15:41

apart from the engines, the seats, the front grille, the price, and the dash colours, what are the differences between the S and the R?

11th August 2007, 10:51	#30 (permalink)
Cap Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th August 2007 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Keep in mind, chiping is not legal without paying extra taxes etc, atleast not in my country.. Take both of them for 1 hour spin, and then decide, and keep in mind the R is twice as expensive when it comes to fuelconsumption.... But i think service intervalls ar more frequent on the diesel.... When the Type R can beat the ford focus ST 225hp, high torque (above 300Nm) in "fun to drive" and keep up with it on the track, i dont think dthe CDTI will.... So i guess if you put "thrill" and "image" as a big factor, the answere is R. If you put "economy" and "laidback ride" then its the CDTI. Last edited by Cap; 11th August 2007 at 10:52. Reason: spell

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10th August 2007, 20:19	#21 (permalink)
Cap Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th August 2007 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Best answere

10th August 2007, 20:28	#22 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,953 Thanks: 26 Thanked 243 Times in 130 Posts iTrader: (0)	The mid range performance of the diesel, when chipped, is very good compared to the R (see pic below). But if you want excitement, nothing comes close to the R for the price. r_vs_2b.gif

10th August 2007, 20:33	#23 (permalink)
illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,258 Thanks: 7 Thanked 40 Times in 39 Posts iTrader: (0)	Get the R , diesel is for old guys & JCBs

10th August 2007, 20:33	#24 (permalink)
gorgonzola Valve Cap Join Date: 7th August 2007 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	ok I ask u where and how do you chip it? and with what exactly....does in obviously increase the KW or HP reading right? Is the un-chiped far worse...

11th August 2007, 01:01	#28 (permalink)
w.car Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 11th June 2007 Posts: 151 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	type r y u want a type s TYPE R ALLL THE WAY

11th August 2007, 11:01	#31 (permalink)
gorgonzola Valve Cap Join Date: 7th August 2007 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I see.... I was more along the lines of perhaps asking the dealer here to just re-map it or to know where to be able to re-map the engine... Was just doing a bit of reading up on the forum, and have noticed that the diesel has a rather low Kw power compared to the rivals. Here the Series 1 BMW has a very very similar if not identical price, whilst the 120d stands at 130Kw! thats 177Hp!!!! vs Honda's 140 Quite saddened by that actually. Its like I don't want to like or even respect the BMW and then they go ahead and do this. Plus surely the 1 series will have very good driving capability even compared to the S. Being rear well drive etc. Hmmmmmmmmmm.... Yes Type R is more image and the thrill of driving just thing the roads here are not up to that quite frankly....type S is far from a wallowy ride if my standard Megane II with 17" was a screamer handling wise, contrary to ***'s belief.... AAAAAAAAhhhhh what to do.... BMW 1 ?

11th August 2007, 11:19	#33 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,953 Thanks: 26 Thanked 243 Times in 130 Posts iTrader: (0)	No - they are not a chip as such. The seller plugs a computer into the diagnostic socket on the car and uploads new software.

11th August 2007, 11:41	#34 (permalink)
gorgonzola Valve Cap Join Date: 7th August 2007 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I see.....right....so need to speak with dealer...... How come it has such low Hp the diesel? This is the same engine that broke 19 diesel records????

11th August 2007, 11:45	#35 (permalink)
zio Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd June 2007 Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	You can defintely buy the Type-R mesh to fit to a Type-S as I've been seriously considering doing it myself. Though I have to say, I've grown to quite like the front of my Type-S as it is. Echoing other people's thoughts here - I would've loved a Type-R but it would've cost a lot more to buy and the cheapest insurance quote I got was twice what it costs to insure my Type-S. Plus there's the fuel economy issue. That said, if there really was no difference in initial purchase price my decision making could've so easily gone the other way.

11th August 2007, 12:48	#36 (permalink)
FireStarter Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 6th August 2007 Location: Bath Posts: 101 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well I've had both, and what am I driving now...........TYPE R ...... and am a high mileage driver 8000 miles since May and have never looked back (Well only at the people I fly past) Fuel consumption will depend on your driving style, take it easy and its very good, but the whole thing about an R is fun and the grin factor........

11th August 2007, 15:41	#40 (permalink)
smeg9 Wheelnut Join Date: 29th July 2007 Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	apart from the engines, the seats, the front grille, the price, and the dash colours, what are the differences between the S and the R?