ABP Motorsport (Crewe) tuning stuff - Page 5

ADE Type S · 23rd March 2008, 19:53

HaHaHa a legend in my own lifetime! lol

-=Stella Artois=- · 25th March 2008, 14:45

I was greeted with Millie sporting new shoes. Well she was sporting quite a bit extra from the last time I saw her.

PIAA Extreme White H1's
PIAA Extreme White H7's
PIAA Extreme White H11's
Toyo Proxis TR-1's
Bastuk De Cat and O2 Sensor
Miltek Non Resonated Exhaust
350mm Brake Upgrade Kit
EBC Ceramic Red Pads
HKS Iridium Sparkplugs
KW Variant 3 Coilovers
12500m Service
19" Rage allows done in CW.
Front camber adjusters.

That immediately put a smile on my face.

. I apologise now, for the fact that she is filthy (about the only time you can't like a filthy women!) But I had instructed ABP not to attempt to clean her in any way, as I'm a touch fussy on the cleaning side.

The wheels in my opinion look smaller now. This may be a result of the lowering from the KW's and the optical illusion of the brakes upgrade, combined with the colour change, but I think they suit it spot on. others may disagree, but each to their own.

The wheels look a little naked, so forewarned is forearmed, and with the help of Mook, I came up with this.

I think it sets them off nicely.

Additionally ABP, managed to balance the wheels with my request for all the weights to be behind the spokes only. This results in s few more weights being applied than normal as you have to vector the dynamic load to split the heavy point into several places basically you balance the wheel, then place it out of balance using weights where you want them, rather than placing weights where the heavy point naturally is, more time consuming but worth the time.

I was itching to be out in her, but ABP were not going to let me off without paying

, so duly settled up and jumped in. I had forgotten how to bloody start the car!, when my simpleton cells stopped working overtime, I fired her up to be awarded with a deep, no.....really deeeeeep grumble. I was sweating like a pedo in a nursary with the expectation of taking her for a spin. Ah, my mistake, in my enthusiasm, I had forgot the wife

, I must thank her now for driving me over and picking me up, as she's not talking to me now, and this is the best form of communication going at present. Sorry dear!. As I roared off into utopia, Mrs Stella was still waiting to pull out of ABP and after 15 mins I was offered a quick lesson in puppeteering - well that's what it looked like to me, from the missus.

and told to slow down, as the Ford Kak was struggling to keep up. Hmmm I wonder why.

So for the rest of the journey I had to settle for cruise control and the stereo. The car certainly felt better planted, The steering seemed slightly lighter, but more positive if that sounds right. The grip was cracking with the Toyo's, however i had just swapped from some yoko's that were trying to do an impression of a zebra, as there was braiding showing.

The ride quality even though the suspension is harder, felt far better than the stock set up and was very precise. The brakes are awesome, virtually putting me through the screen on the first application. Anyhow, I utilised the 150 mile return to bed the discs and pads in. So back home happy and skint.

philip3600 · 25th March 2008, 15:33

wow, very brave to paint these expensive alloys white!
But I have to say it looks very good and so does the brake upgrade

lozhoon · 25th March 2008, 15:49

what sort of power increase did you get from the mod's?. Some moneys worth there!!, any jobs at your work? ha

loz

TTDegs · 25th March 2008, 15:57

Very, very nice!

Though I did do a double take - I thought we were talking about Millie for a moment, not Millie

-=Stella Artois=- · 25th March 2008, 16:37

Cheers fella's, Just thought i would bung it up, as ABP were really helpful. This has been in the planning for 4 months, yet ABP were very patient with me as they tried different setups on their own car, prior to me deciding which to go for. If only we could have got the stoptech kit to fit, but it won't - unless I wanted to sacrifice steering!

I have a RR planned after I have the Hondata, LSD, Toda Cltch kit. I'm hoping for about 230 with the work, but awaiting the nod on the turbo, that is planned. That's a different kettle of fish.

-=Stella Artois=- · 25th March 2008, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by lozhoon

Some moneys worth there!!, any jobs at your work? ha

loz

Work for myself. Cut out the middle man

NEEMSTAR · 25th March 2008, 17:13

stella - your car is the dogs danglies !

A few questions please :

What is bastuk decat and o2 sensor?

How do you find the miltek zorst?

Also when i start modifying i want my exhaust to have a little pop and burble (dont ask me why lol, my mates VXR does it and sounds good when its shifting). Does the miltek do this?

Cheeers

Munro · 25th March 2008, 18:40

Stella , your car is fantastic

Have you had the car dyno'd to see what improvement has been gained ?

Do you know if ABP do a suspension upgrade that doesn't lower the car ?(you mentioned they have tested various set ups)

ADE Type S · 25th March 2008, 18:54

Saw your post over on type r owners site the other day very nice car and very brave man to get those wheels powder coated white!

Not long now till mine is in ABP for its trial fit

-=Stella Artois=- · 25th March 2008, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

stella - your car is the dogs danglies !

A few questions please :

What is bastuk decat and o2 sensor?

How do you find the miltek zorst?

Also when i start modifying i want my exhaust to have a little pop and burble (dont ask me why lol, my mates VXR does it and sounds good when its shifting). Does the miltek do this?

Cheeers

The bastuck decat pape, substitutes the catalytic convertor. As the convertor is missing there needs to be a false sensor that sends a signal to the ECU, so it believes that there is a cat fitted, or else you would have the ECU light come on and the car would run rough.

The Miltek is great. A little noisy between the 3500 - 4000 rev range, but I can live with that. The Miltek on its own doesn't provide the popping on overun that the VXR would have but then that is more than likely from the Turbo, than the exhaust. It does pop and fart with the decat fitted in addition to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munro

Stella , your car is fantastic

Have you had the car dyno'd to see what improvement has been gained ?

Do you know if ABP do a suspension upgrade that doesn't lower the car ?(you mentioned they have tested various set ups)

Dyno planned for after the stage 2 of the project. Hondata ECU...etc etc.

The KW3 variant fitted to mine, can be set up so that the ride height remains standard. I had it set up to JTunes Time Attack car settings, so its a little lower on the rear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADE Type S

Saw your post over on type r owners site the other day very nice car and very brave man to get those wheels powder coated white!

Not long now till mine is in ABP for its trial fit

Thanks, however as I'm now sporting a damaged drivers side the satisfaction has worn off. Bloody Arctics.

ADE Type S · 25th March 2008, 21:35

OUCH!

Gutted for you mate!

NEEMSTAR · 25th March 2008, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Stella Artois=-

The bastuck decat pape, substitutes the catalytic convertor. As the convertor is missing there needs to be a false sensor that sends a signal to the ECU, so it believes that there is a cat fitted, or else you would have the ECU light come on and the car would run rough.

The Miltek is great. A little noisy between the 3500 - 4000 rev range, but I can live with that. The Miltek on its own doesn't provide the popping on overun that the VXR would have but then that is more than likely from the Turbo, than the exhaust. It does pop and fart with the decat fitted in addition to.

Thanks for that mate , i think i want that now

3 more questions please (sorry

):

Whats the point to decat the car apart from noise ?
Is it legal to decat the car ?
How much does the decat cost including fitting if you dont mind me asking ?

Cheers

-=Stella Artois=- · 25th March 2008, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEEMSTAR

Thanks for that mate , i think i want that now

3 more questions please (sorry

):

Whats the point to decat the car apart from noise ?
Is it legal to decat the car ?
How much does the decat cost including fitting if you dont mind me asking ?

Cheers

Catalytic convertors are renown for causing a restriction in the exhaust flow. Removing them allows for the waste gasses to be scavenged from the car quicker. This in theory, should generate a more efficient and more powerful delivery. Its not always the case, however, as the K20 is known to be overly restictive in the exhaust department, to keep emmisions down, removing it helps with the flow.

Catalytic convertors are mandatory on cars from 1990, however the cats are required when an MOT/TUV is being carried out. The running of a car without a catalytic convertor within the UK is legal provided it passes a road side emissions test if pulled by the police.

The cost was £100 GBP. However, I believe that this was a one off, in the UK, but Bastuk. ( BASTUCK & Co GmbH - Edel.Stahl.Stark. - Germany/France :: Startseite ) can privide all sorts of variants for the FN2.

Hope that helps.

lozhoon · 26th March 2008, 08:07

hi -=Stella Artois=-

how come you havent gone for the type r decals?

-=Stella Artois=- · 26th March 2008, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by lozhoon

hi -=Stella Artois=-

how come you havent gone for the type r decals?

Extortionate amount of money for what they are, in my opinion and to be honest I didn't realise at the time of purchase that they didn't come with them.

lozhoon · 26th March 2008, 12:17

think ya should go for it dude, its not that bad a price. Finishs the car off.

illegalhunter · 26th March 2008, 12:45

Looks great Stella cost a arm & leg

-=Stella Artois=- · 26th March 2008, 13:14

Yes, the cost was quite high, however if you break down the actual work done and the amount of work, its doesn't seem that bad. Additionally what people don't immediately see in the costing is that you pay for the facilities that the majority of people do not have access to at home. Technically, the work content, I could have done myself, but its like fitting a kitchen - Why have the house in uproar for weeks on end when someone experienced can complete it in a fraction of the time and to a higher standard. There are some elements that people could argue that I had "paid through the nose" for like ABP fitted the bulbs and I was charged labour for that, but I needed the minimum down time of the vehicle, so realistically, a job that I could have done over a couple of nights would have added to the car being off the road. The actual costings - available from ABP's magazine, so not breaking any confidentiality issues here were.

KW 3 Coilover set. £949.00
Bastuck De Cat £100.00 inc O2 sensor - One off, from their trials.
Brake upgrade £375.00
Pads £65 - £20 cheaper than Honda OEM parts.
Wheels - refurb and colour change inc centres - £360
Honda oil filter - £10.50
Motul oil - £37.50
HKS Iridium spark plugs - £68.48
Bulbs - £151.00
Front Camber adjusting arms - £35.00

Labour - £560

Labour consisting of: removing old suspension and brakes and fitting new set + camber adjusting arms. This entailed removing a large amount of trim, underneath, inside engine bay, boot, just to get at it. Setting up the geometry of the suspension, fitting the pads. Carrying out a 12500ml service, replacing the bulbs, (L/H) side are a right pain to get to and then the fogs - whoever designed in the requirement to have to drop the bumper to change a set of bulbs needs shooting! so all in close to £3300. and I'm loving every minute of it. Not even started on power enhancements yet!

NEEMSTAR · 26th March 2008, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Stella Artois=-

so all in close to £3300. and I'm loving every minute of it. Not even started on power enhancements yet!

you are my new hero . keep us posted with everything please

25th March 2008, 16:37	#86 (permalink)
-=Stella Artois=- Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th June 2007 Location: Peterborough Posts: 360 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Cheers fella's, Just thought i would bung it up, as ABP were really helpful. This has been in the planning for 4 months, yet ABP were very patient with me as they tried different setups on their own car, prior to me deciding which to go for. If only we could have got the stoptech kit to fit, but it won't - unless I wanted to sacrifice steering! I have a RR planned after I have the Hondata, LSD, Toda Cltch kit. I'm hoping for about 230 with the work, but awaiting the nod on the turbo, that is planned. That's a different kettle of fish. Last edited by -=Stella Artois=-; 25th March 2008 at 16:39.


This thread is about: ABP Motorsport (Crewe) tuning stuff, it's in ABP Motorsport at the Honda Civic forum Civinfo; HaHaHa a legend in my own lifetime! lol...

23rd March 2008, 19:53	#81 (permalink)
ADE Type S Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 7th September 2007 Location: Staffs & Cheshire Posts: 231 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	HaHaHa a legend in my own lifetime! lol

25th March 2008, 14:45	#82 (permalink)
-=Stella Artois=- Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th June 2007 Location: Peterborough Posts: 360 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I was greeted with Millie sporting new shoes. Well she was sporting quite a bit extra from the last time I saw her. PIAA Extreme White H1's PIAA Extreme White H7's PIAA Extreme White H11's Toyo Proxis TR-1's Bastuk De Cat and O2 Sensor Miltek Non Resonated Exhaust 350mm Brake Upgrade Kit EBC Ceramic Red Pads HKS Iridium Sparkplugs KW Variant 3 Coilovers 12500m Service 19" Rage allows done in CW. Front camber adjusters. That immediately put a smile on my face. . I apologise now, for the fact that she is filthy (about the only time you can't like a filthy women!) But I had instructed ABP not to attempt to clean her in any way, as I'm a touch fussy on the cleaning side. The wheels in my opinion look smaller now. This may be a result of the lowering from the KW's and the optical illusion of the brakes upgrade, combined with the colour change, but I think they suit it spot on. others may disagree, but each to their own. The wheels look a little naked, so forewarned is forearmed, and with the help of Mook, I came up with this. I think it sets them off nicely. Additionally ABP, managed to balance the wheels with my request for all the weights to be behind the spokes only. This results in s few more weights being applied than normal as you have to vector the dynamic load to split the heavy point into several places basically you balance the wheel, then place it out of balance using weights where you want them, rather than placing weights where the heavy point naturally is, more time consuming but worth the time. I was itching to be out in her, but ABP were not going to let me off without paying , so duly settled up and jumped in. I had forgotten how to bloody start the car!, when my simpleton cells stopped working overtime, I fired her up to be awarded with a deep, no.....really deeeeeep grumble. I was sweating like a pedo in a nursary with the expectation of taking her for a spin. Ah, my mistake, in my enthusiasm, I had forgot the wife , I must thank her now for driving me over and picking me up, as she's not talking to me now, and this is the best form of communication going at present. Sorry dear!. As I roared off into utopia, Mrs Stella was still waiting to pull out of ABP and after 15 mins I was offered a quick lesson in puppeteering - well that's what it looked like to me, from the missus. and told to slow down, as the Ford Kak was struggling to keep up. Hmmm I wonder why. So for the rest of the journey I had to settle for cruise control and the stereo. The car certainly felt better planted, The steering seemed slightly lighter, but more positive if that sounds right. The grip was cracking with the Toyo's, however i had just swapped from some yoko's that were trying to do an impression of a zebra, as there was braiding showing. The ride quality even though the suspension is harder, felt far better than the stock set up and was very precise. The brakes are awesome, virtually putting me through the screen on the first application. Anyhow, I utilised the 150 mile return to bed the discs and pads in. So back home happy and skint.

25th March 2008, 15:33	#83 (permalink)
philip3600 Wheelnut Join Date: 6th January 2007 Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	wow, very brave to paint these expensive alloys white! But I have to say it looks very good and so does the brake upgrade

25th March 2008, 15:49	#84 (permalink)
lozhoon Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	what sort of power increase did you get from the mod's?. Some moneys worth there!!, any jobs at your work? ha loz

25th March 2008, 15:57	#85 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Very, very nice! Though I did do a double take - I thought we were talking about Millie for a moment, not Millie

25th March 2008, 17:13	#88 (permalink)
NEEMSTAR Type R Brigade Member Rocketship door handle Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: In Your Mind Posts: 1,585 Thanks: 36 Thanked 29 Times in 29 Posts iTrader: (0)	stella - your car is the dogs danglies ! A few questions please : What is bastuk decat and o2 sensor? How do you find the miltek zorst? Also when i start modifying i want my exhaust to have a little pop and burble (dont ask me why lol, my mates VXR does it and sounds good when its shifting). Does the miltek do this? Cheeers

25th March 2008, 18:40	#89 (permalink)
Munro Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,228 Thanks: 27 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	Stella , your car is fantastic Have you had the car dyno'd to see what improvement has been gained ? Do you know if ABP do a suspension upgrade that doesn't lower the car ?(you mentioned they have tested various set ups)

25th March 2008, 18:54	#90 (permalink)
ADE Type S Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 7th September 2007 Location: Staffs & Cheshire Posts: 231 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Saw your post over on type r owners site the other day very nice car and very brave man to get those wheels powder coated white! Not long now till mine is in ABP for its trial fit

25th March 2008, 21:35	#92 (permalink)
ADE Type S Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 7th September 2007 Location: Staffs & Cheshire Posts: 231 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	OUCH! Gutted for you mate!

26th March 2008, 08:07	#95 (permalink)
lozhoon Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	hi -=Stella Artois=- how come you havent gone for the type r decals?

26th March 2008, 12:17	#97 (permalink)
lozhoon Wheelnut Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	think ya should go for it dude, its not that bad a price. Finishs the car off.

26th March 2008, 12:45	#98 (permalink)
illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,258 Thanks: 7 Thanked 40 Times in 39 Posts iTrader: (0)	Looks great Stella cost a arm & leg

26th March 2008, 13:14	#99 (permalink)
-=Stella Artois=- Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th June 2007 Location: Peterborough Posts: 360 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes, the cost was quite high, however if you break down the actual work done and the amount of work, its doesn't seem that bad. Additionally what people don't immediately see in the costing is that you pay for the facilities that the majority of people do not have access to at home. Technically, the work content, I could have done myself, but its like fitting a kitchen - Why have the house in uproar for weeks on end when someone experienced can complete it in a fraction of the time and to a higher standard. There are some elements that people could argue that I had "paid through the nose" for like ABP fitted the bulbs and I was charged labour for that, but I needed the minimum down time of the vehicle, so realistically, a job that I could have done over a couple of nights would have added to the car being off the road. The actual costings - available from ABP's magazine, so not breaking any confidentiality issues here were. KW 3 Coilover set. £949.00 Bastuck De Cat £100.00 inc O2 sensor - One off, from their trials. Brake upgrade £375.00 Pads £65 - £20 cheaper than Honda OEM parts. Wheels - refurb and colour change inc centres - £360 Honda oil filter - £10.50 Motul oil - £37.50 HKS Iridium spark plugs - £68.48 Bulbs - £151.00 Front Camber adjusting arms - £35.00 Labour - £560 Labour consisting of: removing old suspension and brakes and fitting new set + camber adjusting arms. This entailed removing a large amount of trim, underneath, inside engine bay, boot, just to get at it. Setting up the geometry of the suspension, fitting the pads. Carrying out a 12500ml service, replacing the bulbs, (L/H) side are a right pain to get to and then the fogs - whoever designed in the requirement to have to drop the bumper to change a set of bulbs needs shooting! so all in close to £3300. and I'm loving every minute of it. Not even started on power enhancements yet!