5 door R

[czechplastik]

Rival hot hatches (Foc*s and Go*f) have the option of 5 door versions of the ST and GTI. Would you have any interest in a 5 door Type R?

Increase in practicality though for a likely trade off in rigidity.

[m4rky]

what like this one???

–³ŒÀ | CIVIC TYPE R | GALLARY

Nice

[Brodick]

That is nice

but the boy said 5 door not 4 door

it is a fair point CZ - even if they make a few tweaks to the 5 door
would Honda be able to build it - it seems Swindon is almost at capacity
with the current civic's and CR-V's and to add another civic model
might just be to much

[Munro]

I would have been interested in a 5 door Type R.

The back of the 3 door is a bit claustrophobic even though there is plenty of room.

[MoMatic]

I would have liked there to be an option for a 3 dr and a 5 dr - this is where Honda will lose business.

[Pottsy]

Honda have had to take a fair bit of stick for the "softness" of the latest R. It is slower than the outgoing one, and a little too cushy for some. A 5 door would be heavier still, and would introduce unwanted body flex. I suspect that these two factors alone will make a five door unlikely, but not impossible.

[czechplastik]

As I said earlier the extra holes in the chassis would result in less structural strength. Any attempt to counter that (by adding supporting bodywork) would only add weight and so I agree with Pottsy.

Brodick also made a good point that Swindon probably wouldn't have the capacity to produce any more model types at present. Guess the idea is dead in the water!

Still fancy an EX-R though!

[Munro]

Most of the Civic Type Rs competition have the option of a 5 door (Golf Gti, Focus ST etc). There are a lot of people in the market for a sporty practical 5 door hatch.

As for handling deficit, what about the 4 door Japanese type R which is supposed to handle better than the 3 door we have. The independent rear suspension helps but it still has the more flexible 4 door shell.

[Bog]

I agree, the 5dr should come with the option of the 2.0 CTR engine (or something similar). It does not have to be badged with an 'R', perhaps GT.

[MoMatic]

Originally Posted by Munro

Most of the Civic Type Rs competition have the option of a 5 door (Golf Gti, Focus ST etc). There are a lot of people in the market for a sporty practical 5 door hatch.

Remember that crap Fifth Gear hot hatch review? They went for the 5 door cars the GTI/ST - Like you said a lot of people out there that would like a sporty practical 5 door hatch.

They would have made the sales - but as Pottsy mentioned Honda would have been slated even more for going "soft"..

[TTDegs]

Given that they actually went out of their way to turn the 5 seats of a Type S into 4 seats in the Type R, I think it's fairly safe to say that someone at Honda is deliberately avoiding the 'family' sector.

So I can't see them adding an extra 2 doors any time soon

[Foggy69]

The previous version only available as a 3 door as well, although a 5 door shell was available.

As TT said, maybe trying to avoid the 'family' sector for whatever reason.

[czechplastik]

Engine replacement is the way forward then...

[FWH]

Need I say things like E55T, M5 Touring and Cayenne Turbo S?

[czechplastik]

Originally Posted by FWH

Need I say things like E55T, M5 Touring and Cayenne Turbo S?

More than twice the price though!

[FWH]

Originally Posted by czechplastik

More than twice the price though!

Making the point that people are willing to pay for PRACTICAL cars with more horse power.

If there is a market for an M5 Touring, surely a Type-R 5 door should be a reasonable thing.

I think Honda are missing out here.

[sco77harris]

i would love a type r in 5 door form

[CivPilot]

Originally Posted by FWH

Making the point that people are willing to pay for PRACTICAL cars with more horse power.

If there is a market for an M5 Touring, surely a Type-R 5 door should be a reasonable thing.

I think Honda are missing out here.

Not really a fair comparison using the M5 touring as an example.

When a car has just over 500bhp (M5) an extra bit of metal on the back makes virtually no difference to perceived performance due to an already massive power/weight and monsterous performance. The Type-R obviously is already much lower on power and doesnt feel that super fast, so the extra wieght will make a huge amount of difference.
To keep the same performance they would have to add a huge dollop of extra power to take into account the extra wieght, something they don't need to do when the car is selling.
If you want a fast Civic with rear doors buy a CDTi and then add on the plastic from the Type-R. Or better still buy the JDM 4 door Type-R, its already way faster than the UK 3 door and IMHO slightly better looking too.

[FWH]

Originally Posted by CivPilot

Not really a fair comparison using the M5 touring as an example.

I realise they are very different cars, the point was just that if BMW thinks there is a market for estate cars with a bit of "go" then it would not be unreasonable to think that it would be possible to market a 5 door Civic Type-R.
This was all about market.

Originally Posted by CivPilot

When a car has just over 500bhp (M5) an extra bit of metal on the back makes virtually no difference to perceived performance due to an already massive power/weight and monsterous performance. The Type-R obviously is already much lower on power and doesnt feel that super fast, so the extra wieght will make a huge amount of difference.

Now that is true.

In the Wiki I found:

Type S 1,8 - 1,317 kg (2,903 lbs)
5 door 1,8 - 1,750 kg (3,858 lbs)

I have to say that this was a bigger weight differance than I had thought and that adding approx 400kg to a Type-R obviously would affect both speed and handeling.

Good observation there CivPilot.
The weight issue may well be key to the non-existance of a 5 door Type R.

[TTDegs]

though not the deletion of the middle rear seatbelt
I don't think that could weigh more than a couple of pounds!