TODA Racing RRC

R555 · 19th October 2012, 20:18

Does anyone know anything about TODA's RRC manifold?

stoney · 19th October 2012, 20:20

Its a ported out Mani like what Endyn offer.

Thought youd bought a Jackson Dave?

pulpmelon_r · 19th October 2012, 20:37

Have they reprofiled the plenum and runners or just the intake neck?

BRM · 19th October 2012, 21:08

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Originally Posted by R555

Does anyone know anything about TODA's RRC manifold?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoney

Its a ported out Mani like what Endyn offer.

Thought youd bought a Jackson Dave?

Dont think its any thing like the Endyns work at all. The TODA RRC its not even cut open, so the runners entrance can not be worked.

R555 · 19th October 2012, 21:47

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Originally Posted by stoney

Its a ported out Mani like what Endyn offer.

Thought youd bought a Jackson Dave?

I have, but I was just interested to know what Toda did with the RRC as I thought you could port it out much due to the lack of material.

nunoctr · 19th October 2012, 23:27

This is a real story.
Some time ago a friend of mine bought a rbc mani worked by one of the "best" usa tuners that port heads and mani for kseries. Imported from this tuner in the usa.
The car had x bhp after tuning.
But, some months after, he sold the car and the mani was out of the car and was lost. So he bought a rbc and ported the rbc himself for about 2 hours (never ported anything before) and said to the buyer "this a rbc ported by one of the best usa tuners"!
The mani was fitted to the car and we went to dyno... The car made 5hp more than the big ported rbc from the real usa tuner!!
After that all i can say is i don't believe on intake mani that comes from usa.

R555 · 19th October 2012, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunoctr

This is a real story.
Some time ago a friend of mine bought a rbc mani worked by one of the "best" usa tuners that port heads and mani for kseries. Imported from this tuner in the usa.
The car had x bhp after tuning.
But, some months after, he sold the car and the mani was out of the car and was lost. So he bought a rbc and ported the rbc himself for about 2 hours (never ported anything before) and said to the buyer "this a rbc ported by one of the best usa tuners"!
The mani was fitted to the car and we went to dyno... The car made 5hp more than the big ported rbc from the real usa tuner!!
After that all i can say is i don't believe on intake mani that comes from usa.

Thats terrible! So much for all the hype surrounding some of the US tuners.

I was reading a ported RBC still doesnt make as much as the RRC which is why I was thinking a ported RRC must be awesome. But it appears most of the tuners in the US only seem to port the RBC. I was also reading the Skunk2 is meant to be good for porting as there's more material on it and it can be worked more.

BRM · 20th October 2012, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunoctr

This is a real story.
Some time ago a friend of mine bought a rbc mani worked by one of the "best" usa tuners that port heads and mani for kseries. Imported from this tuner in the usa.
The car had x bhp after tuning.
But, some months after, he sold the car and the mani was out of the car and was lost. So he bought a rbc and ported the rbc himself for about 2 hours (never ported anything before) and said to the buyer "this a rbc ported by one of the best usa tuners"!
The mani was fitted to the car and we went to dyno... The car made 5hp more than the big ported rbc from the real usa tuner!!
After that all i can say is i don't believe on intake mani that comes from usa.

Fancy sharing Names Nuno?

Also, one cant put a Heavily ported Intake Mani on a set-up that doesnt mach, its the combination of parts that make the "best" power. Not just one or a randon number os parts put together.

nunoctr · 20th October 2012, 01:00

The specs of the car was bc stage 2 cams, ssr header, 76mm skunk 2 exhaust, bi cai, big tb, 11.9 cr, stage 2 head and ported rbc... From the usa.

BRM · 20th October 2012, 01:02

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Originally Posted by nunoctr

The specs of the car was bc stage 2 cams, ssr header, 76mm skunk 2 exhaust, bi cai, big tb, 11.9 cr, stage 2 head and ported rbc... From the usa.

Thats not a bad set up, was that car in Portugal?

Who did the porting of the Head and RBC? Portflow?

nunoctr · 20th October 2012, 01:10

Head was from blueprint racing the mani i dont want to say. It was in portugal yes.

BRM · 20th October 2012, 01:16

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Originally Posted by nunoctr

Head was from blueprint racing the mani i dont want to say. It was in portugal yes.

Did know any EP3 with those specs.....

Personaly, im not a fan of Blueprint, not saying their work isnt good, but I would go there myself.

nunoctr · 20th October 2012, 01:22

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Originally Posted by BRM

Did know any EP3 with those specs.....

Personaly, im not a fan of Blueprint, not saying their work isnt good, but I would go there myself.

It wasn't a ep3. Swap k20.

BRM · 20th October 2012, 01:41

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Originally Posted by nunoctr

It wasn't a ep3. Swap k20.

Nice.

Was the RBC Plenum Cut or was it just "ported" from the runners exit side?

nunoctr · 20th October 2012, 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRM

Nice.

Was the RBC Plenum Cut or was it just "ported" from the runners exit side?

Cut and welded

BRM · 20th October 2012, 02:59

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Originally Posted by nunoctr

Cut and welded

Strange......

Back on Topic, I would like to know more about what exacly TODA do to the RRC. Maybe TDI-PLC will know..?

Lunar Tick · 20th October 2012, 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by pulpmelon_r

Have they reprofiled the plenum and runners or just the intake neck?

I looked into this. They don't chop the top of the plenum off so the plenum end of the runners can't be worked on. Even if you were to do that, when you weld the plenum cap back on you'll then have untidy weld and rough surfaces on the inside of the plenum, which could be self defeating for airflow. I know they port out the TB entry to the manifold but I don't know whether they port out the end of the runners that bolt to the head. Even so, that might not be very effective unless you port match the inlet ports on the head...

Lou Connor · 20th October 2012, 10:56

My trick Aluminium welding is try not to fully penetrate the joint, if you know what you are doing then the inside of the weld should be smooth and free of any weld. Not all that great for anything that requires structural rigidity but for an intake manifold, intercooler, pipework etc it's ok.

From what I know, the RRC isn't all that popular for porting in the states mainly due to costs and availability, but people that have ported them have seen better results over the RBC.

The skunk2 intake manifold does have more material therefore more potential but more flow doesn't always mean more power, as already mentioned in this thread everything has to be matched to work together.

Ideally you would have flow bench numbers with these ported manifolds, I know some companies do bench test them, (some are just going at them with a dremmel!) If you have a stock K20 with bolt on's then your intake manifold flow requirements would be different for that of say a K24 setup with cams ..

I think flow numbers are the key here.

Lou

Lunar Tick · 20th October 2012, 11:05

Good info Lou - thanks for this

BRM · 20th October 2012, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Tick

I looked into this. They don't chop the top of the plenum off so the plenum end of the runners can't be worked on. Even if you were to do that, when you weld the plenum cap back on you'll then have untidy weld and rough surfaces on the inside of the plenum, which could be self defeating for airflow. I know they port out the TB entry to the manifold but I don't know whether they port out the end of the runners that bolt to the head. Even so, that might not be very effective unless you port match the inlet ports on the head...

If the work is done properly, that shound be a problem:

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Lou Connor Commercial user Join Date: 9th April 2010 Location: warrington Posts: 22 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	My trick Aluminium welding is try not to fully penetrate the joint, if you know what you are doing then the inside of the weld should be smooth and free of any weld. Not all that great for anything that requires structural rigidity but for an intake manifold, intercooler, pipework etc it's ok. From what I know, the RRC isn't all that popular for porting in the states mainly due to costs and availability, but people that have ported them have seen better results over the RBC. The skunk2 intake manifold does have more material therefore more potential but more flow doesn't always mean more power, as already mentioned in this thread everything has to be matched to work together. Ideally you would have flow bench numbers with these ported manifolds, I know some companies do bench test them, (some are just going at them with a dremmel!) If you have a stock K20 with bolt on's then your intake manifold flow requirements would be different for that of say a K24 setup with cams .. I think flow numbers are the key here. Lou

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Lunar Tick Supporter Car: 2008 FD2, Vivid Blue Join Date: 8th June 2010 Location: Cumbria, UK Posts: 1,573 Thanks given: 222 Thanked 404 Times in 324 Posts iTrader: (1)	Good info Lou - thanks for this