Destroyed Type R engine

Pottsy · 10th October 2007, 16:02

Reproduced with permission from a Type R owner from S Africa.

Happened in first gear at moderately high but not excessive revs. Car has done only c.4500 miles. End result after a period of "discussion" is a new engine.

You can see the mess in the cylinder head/combustion chamber, and one piston seems to be missing in action!

I've asked the owner if he'd like to join in here - maybe he will..

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Trekker308 · 10th October 2007, 16:08

Ouch!!

Bungle · 10th October 2007, 16:21

What could have caused such a catastrphic failure? Water in the cylinder?

Thankfully this kind of thing is very rare with Honda engines1

SimonB · 10th October 2007, 16:23

Probably more like a driving along in 5th gear.... and missed 4th, and went straight to 2nd!

I'm sure the Car's ECU will tell exactly what the problem was! - If it 'just died' in 1st gear at low rev's - i'm sure Honda would be replacing it!

DeanFYoung · 10th October 2007, 16:28

Very odd

m4rky · 10th October 2007, 16:39

Now thats a very rare sight indeed for a Honda

Only 1 cylinder damaged so the timing chain didn't jump or all 4 would have sustained some sort of damage.

Could be component failure of the piston in some way as all four valves are still in the head in the bad cylinder by the looks of things - nasty

TTDegs · 10th October 2007, 16:45

I wonder if his previus posts had been along the lines of
"something is not right - I'm only getting 15mpg, and it sounds like it's only running on 3 pistons..."

serious ouch though

m4rky · 10th October 2007, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

I wonder if his previus posts had been along the lines of
"something is not right - I'm only getting 15mpg, and it sounds like it's only running on 3 pistons..."

LOL -

That's really cruel - but funny

TTDegs · 10th October 2007, 17:20

I'm kinda hoping that the owner can read it with a rueful smile on his face...

Munro · 10th October 2007, 17:34

It will be very interesting to find out what caused this.

To go off thread a bit, I dont know why Honda didn't put the S2000 240hp engine in the type R. It is proven to be bullet proof and would have put the type R ahead of the competition in the power stakes. Sure it would have been more expensive - but what a car.

basegreen · 10th October 2007, 17:37

I still wonder what made mine die

Pottsy · 10th October 2007, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonB

Probably more like a driving along in 5th gear.... and missed 4th, and went straight to 2nd!

I'm sure the Car's ECU will tell exactly what the problem was! - If it 'just died' in 1st gear at low rev's - i'm sure Honda would be replacing it!

The car was just accelerating in first gear, and it happened well before the limiter. It looks like conrod failure, or maybe piston failure (both can lead to the failure of the other).

The ECU will know nothing of a mechanical failure like this, other than the engine stopped!

TTDegs · 10th October 2007, 18:27

Pottsy - with all the time that you spend devoting yourself to this place, how on Earth do you find time to wander the net for snippets like this!?

jamesaberdeen73 · 10th October 2007, 23:55

I seem to recall Honda bragging about how they have never had a failure worldwide.

Im sure it was on some of the type-r promotional video`s.

I have heard it stated a few times thats for sure.

What constitutes a failure????

insanojackson · 11th October 2007, 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesaberdeen73

I seem to recall Honda bragging about how they have never had a failure worldwide.

Im sure it was on some of the type-r promotional video`s.

I have heard it stated a few times thats for sure.

What constitutes a failure????

They have never had a failure of the vtec system (only) many many engines have failed usually due to lack of oil or too many revs in a 6th to 2nd change!

12830 · 11th October 2007, 06:56

I am the owner of that motor. Yes it did happen in first gear at about 7200rpm. It also happened in town three blocks away from our local Honda dealer. The motor was as smooth as ever and showed no signs of what was to follow. The no1 piston disintegrated and was ground to little pieces. The front wheels started locking up, luckily at a low speed. The oil level was perfect. I drive the car the way it was designed to be driven. I have never been on a race track. I have never participated in any drags. I drive it slowly until properly heated up. The ecu does show that the car was in 1st gear when this happened. Can only have been a badly cast piston...

Trekker308 · 11th October 2007, 07:19

I bet the Honda quality guys will want to know what happened there as you would think that QC procedures during manufacture and machining of the pistons/con rods would pick up such a failure before it happened - if you see what I mean....

illegalhunter · 11th October 2007, 09:06

I read the srory on an other forum ,he did this in 2nd gear

TTDegs · 11th October 2007, 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12830

I am the owner of that motor. Yes it did happen in first gear at about 7200rpm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by illegalhunter

I read the srory on an other forum ,he did this in 2nd gear

12830 - very best of luck, and hope you're back on the road soon

tomas72 · 11th October 2007, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by insanojackson

What the hell were you doig at 7200 rpm in town????? the traffic light grand prix?

Answer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 111025

I drive the car the way it was designed to be driven.

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Trekker308 ..with Superchips please! Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th July 2006 Location: Ringwood Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Ouch!!

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Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	What could have caused such a catastrphic failure? Water in the cylinder? Thankfully this kind of thing is very rare with Honda engines1

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SimonB Wheelnut Join Date: 1st November 2006 Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Probably more like a driving along in 5th gear.... and missed 4th, and went straight to 2nd! I'm sure the Car's ECU will tell exactly what the problem was! - If it 'just died' in 1st gear at low rev's - i'm sure Honda would be replacing it!

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DeanFYoung Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 19th June 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 717 Thanks: 13 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader: (0)	Very odd

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m4rky Civic Mad! Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 25th August 2007 Posts: 222 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Now thats a very rare sight indeed for a Honda Only 1 cylinder damaged so the timing chain didn't jump or all 4 would have sustained some sort of damage. Could be component failure of the piston in some way as all four valves are still in the head in the bad cylinder by the looks of things - nasty

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I wonder if his previus posts had been along the lines of "something is not right - I'm only getting 15mpg, and it sounds like it's only running on 3 pistons..." serious ouch though

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I'm kinda hoping that the owner can read it with a rueful smile on his face...

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Munro Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,228 Thanks: 27 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	It will be very interesting to find out what caused this. To go off thread a bit, I dont know why Honda didn't put the S2000 240hp engine in the type R. It is proven to be bullet proof and would have put the type R ahead of the competition in the power stakes. Sure it would have been more expensive - but what a car.

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basegreen Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 15th April 2006 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,904 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I still wonder what made mine die

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Pottsy - with all the time that you spend devoting yourself to this place, how on Earth do you find time to wander the net for snippets like this!?

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jamesaberdeen73 Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd October 2007 Location: Turriff Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I seem to recall Honda bragging about how they have never had a failure worldwide. Im sure it was on some of the type-r promotional video`s. I have heard it stated a few times thats for sure. What constitutes a failure????

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12830 Valve Cap Join Date: 10th October 2007 Location: George - South Africa Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I am the owner of that motor. Yes it did happen in first gear at about 7200rpm. It also happened in town three blocks away from our local Honda dealer. The motor was as smooth as ever and showed no signs of what was to follow. The no1 piston disintegrated and was ground to little pieces. The front wheels started locking up, luckily at a low speed. The oil level was perfect. I drive the car the way it was designed to be driven. I have never been on a race track. I have never participated in any drags. I drive it slowly until properly heated up. The ecu does show that the car was in 1st gear when this happened. Can only have been a badly cast piston...

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Trekker308 ..with Superchips please! Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th July 2006 Location: Ringwood Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I bet the Honda quality guys will want to know what happened there as you would think that QC procedures during manufacture and machining of the pistons/con rods would pick up such a failure before it happened - if you see what I mean....

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illegalhunter RELOADING FOR ELK Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: FILLING THE HILLS WITH LEAD Posts: 3,258 Thanks: 7 Thanked 40 Times in 39 Posts iTrader: (0)	I read the srory on an other forum ,he did this in 2nd gear