Type-R diesel is on the way

[Pottsy]

Threads merged.

[RogS]

Hi
What do you think of the rumours that honda plans a Type-R Diesel with the upcoming 2.2L CTDi from the new Accord. 180hp and 320lb ft of torque. Nice!

Autocar - Type-R diesel is on the way

[Harlequin]

I'm sure it's a good idea and that it will make many people happy (esp those of you who wanted a Type R but opted for the CDTi for practicality/running costs) but somehow a Diesel CTR just seems fundamentally wrong...

...sort of like installing Windows on a Mac...

-H

[RogS]

Originally Posted by Harlequin

I'm sure it's a good idea and that it will make many people happy (esp those of you who wanted a Type R but opted for the CDTi for practicality/running costs) but somehow a Diesel CTR just seems fundamentally wrong...

...sort of like installing Windows on a Mac...

-H

Ha ha , i know what you mean, a mac user myself But the turbo and the torque i quiet interesting i think.

[FWH]

This just sounds like a Honda approved remap.

[mattfog]

This has been discussed before Type-R diesel is on the way

[fradgley8]

cant you get a re map upto 192bhp??? i agree with guru on this one

[Type S Bournemouth]

Want i want is a type R Diesel with an option for an auto/tiptronic gearbox

[rx_shorty]

That would be sweet!
Why?

Because my company car has to be an Diesel.

[Harlequin]

Originally Posted by Type S Bournemouth

Want i want is a type R Diesel with an option for an auto/tiptronic gearbox

Up til now Honda have always stated as part of their "Red Badge Ethos":

1. No Turbo
2. No Auto

... i'm confused... how can a TURBO Diesel AUTO be a Type-R?

P.S. This statement is pointed at Honda, not Type S Bournemouth

-H

[FWH]

Times change, so we must change with the times.

Who, ten years ago, would have though there would ever be a front wheel drive, diesel, estate Jaguar.

[NEEMSTAR]

if it happens it will be the end of the petrol type R over here pretty much

as people have said they could have easily had the current 2.2 kicking over 180 bhp with a million lbs ft of torque but it would kill the petrol version off with a select few opting for it. (me being one because diesel smells )

it would lose ALL the fun ..... agreed it is WRONG but in today's climate will probably happen , especially in Europe where you get charged to breathe.

The Japs would NEVER agree to it for them though.

[Harlequin]

From Honda's own press releases:

Background

The Type R name was introduced by Honda Motorcycles, where the letter R was added to conventional bike names to indicate a performance derivative. For example, the CB – a standard 4-cylinder across-the-frame bike – became the CB-R, a sporting model.

The First Type R
The earliest Type R car was the Honda NSX-R, a stripped-down, lightweight version of the NSX supercar. This was developed in response to claims the NSX did not have enough power to compete with rival cars from Porsche and Ferrari. The key factor in this argument – and a point proved by the NSX-R – was the importance of the power to weight ratio. The NSX-R epitomised Honda’s approach to creating high performance cars, and every subsequent Type R vehicle has been built to conform to certain principles. Each follows a certain Type R philosophy.

Philosophy

The Type R philosophy is not about building the most powerful, or fastest car in the world. It is about creating a car that provides a well-engineered, but exciting driving experience. To offer this, every Type R needs to have certain key characteristics:

Racing
An exhilarating driving experience similar to that felt when driving a racing car.

Involvement
High levels of feedback and involvement in terms of sound, steering response and handling. The driver should feel part of the machine.

Not just speed
Going fast is part of the Type R experience, but not everything. The Type R should have above average levels of performance in gear change quality, braking, steering and handling.

Pure
The driving experience should not be diluted or interfered with by over-intrusive driving aids or excessive sound proofing that could detract from the driver’s involvement.

Engineering
To meet the aims set by the philosophy, a different approach is taken during the design and development of a Type R. Therefore, each car possesses a special set of engineering qualities.

Normally aspirated
No bolting on of a turbocharger to give silly power figures. All Type R engines are normally-aspirated, which deliver smoother power delivery throughout the rev range, allowing power to be transferred through the chassis more easily, improving traction and acceleration.

Torsional rigidity
A stiffer chassis improves the handling of the car in terms of balance and adjustability. This makes for a more involving drive.

Simple technology
Each Type R is based on clever, but simple engineering solutions rather than relying solely on electronic gadgetry.

So if they make it it won't really BE a Type-R - Badge or not. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it won't be a good car - it'll probably be a GREAT car.

Others have criticised the FN2 - saying that it's not hardcore enough to be a Type-R but it still falls within the parameters that Honda set years ago for any cart sporting the Red H.

The only way a Turbo Diesel can be a Type-R is to change the definition.

I'm sure it'll go like stink though and it will put a sock in the mouths of all those Golf drivers who go on and on and on about Torque.

-H

[ritchie_perriam]

i think its a really good idea. not everyone can afford the fuel economy of a type-r but really want the handeling.

i myself was in the situation where i really wanted the Type-r because of the looks, handeling and speed, but i couldnt justify the potential fuel costs. So i opted for the Type-s diesel.

today, most manufacturers offer the top spec handeling as an optional extra on the faster diesels so i think its just honda appealing to more of the market.

although it goes against the 'Type-R ethos' i think the diesel type-r is needed especially in todays world with the rising cost of fuel and driving in general.

if i was in the market for a new car i would definatly go for it!

[FWH]

ok...let´s put it this way...

More and more manufacturers offer "high performance" diesels.

It is probably a good idea for Honda to do the same.
Basically a Type R car with a tuned-up diesel with close to 200 bhp.

If they then actually CALL it a "Type R" or not doesn´t perhaps really matter...

[robbo51]

Originally Posted by fradgley8

cant you get a re map upto 192bhp??? i agree with guru on this one

Celtic Tuning:
Celtic Tuning - Honda Civic ECU Remap

[R-2]

Originally Posted by Harlequin

From Honda's own press releases:


So if they make it it won't really BE a Type-R - Badge or not. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it won't be a good car - it'll probably be a GREAT car.

Others have criticised the FN2 - saying that it's not hardcore enough to be a Type-R but it still falls within the parameters that Honda set years ago for any cart sporting the Red H.

The only way a Turbo Diesel can be a Type-R is to change the definition.

I'm sure it'll go like stink though and it will put a sock in the mouths of all those Golf drivers who go on and on and on about Torque.

-H

Thanks for the press release Harlequin. I'm going to print it off and then show it to all the people who question my choice of car and tell me i'd be better off with a Focus ST or a Golf gti etc. Sums up the appeal of the car nicely

I would like to see a high performance diesel version of the Civic. I'm sure with Honda's expertise it would be a superb car.
When they first brought out the 2 litre engine producing 100bhp per litre it was very exciting for such a comparitively cheap car. Maybe Honda can do something equally exciting with a high performance diesel engine?

[illegalhunter]

only good thing about the derv was the song hate something make somthin better

[Pottsy]

Threads merged.

[Miggins]

Who cares if its a type R / D or meets the definition or not. Why are Honda worried about a definition they made up - change the definition and don't get stuck on words - PLEASE!

All I care about is a car that is different as well as fast, quick, handles and if possible occasionally economical. Oh and not too expensive either.

I had a look at an S2000 the other day - ran away when I saw the Road Tax was £400 (might look for an old one)!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to diesel - I love my diesel and just wish it was better in a few areas.