type R panned by Clarkson - Page 2

angie4m · 18th November 2007, 22:20

Does the old one have VSA? Because Clarkson didn't mention taking it off like he usually does (example being the M5 where he took the traction off) never noticed any warning triangle on the dash.

Just wondered if that was kicking in then? Plus if you had clarkson in the old one and the Stig in the new one what one would have one? My guess is the new one for the simple fact that the Stig or another trained driver knows how to take it right to the limit

carlos1967 · 18th November 2007, 22:21

The majority of people who have the new Type R are obviously going to be slightly upset that the car that they have spent their hard earned cash on has been reviewed as 'not being as good as the old one'.

I have owned a 2002 Type R from new and I have recently driven the new Type R on a two week loan. I think that the new one was a better car than mine - so just because JC says something on Top Gear doesn't mean it is gospel. It is up to every one to form their own opinions (and personally I think JC is a tosspot).

I think part of the problem was that the old Type R got such a good review that everyones expectations were far too high for the new one.

Also, I must say that angie4m is not making too many friends with her sweeping comments about drivers of the old Type R.

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 22:21

If we could get a bunch of frosted glass effect vinyls using the "******" one i would buy one and proudly display it.

Very witty by the way

montana · 18th November 2007, 22:33

All it is, is biased entertainment. They did spend 15 minutes of their precious time on it, so they know it is a special car. Normally they only review supercars that none of us can afford.

They were right about the memory with the seat though............

matg · 18th November 2007, 22:38

What Car 4 out of 5 starts
Honda Civic Hatchback 2.0 i-VTEC Type R 3dr Car Review Summary - What Car?

AutoExpress
Best Hot Hatch 2007
Honda Civic Type R | New Car Honours 2007 | Car Reviews | Auto Express

Telegraph Drive
Good Review
Warp factor 8,000 - Telegraph

Autotrader
"A modern masterpiece" 83%
Honda Civic Type-R turns up the heat - Auto Trader UK – Features - News and Reviews Hub

Channel 4 CAR
4.5 out of 5
Honda Civic Type-R (2007-) | Road Test Review | 4car | channel4.com

CAR magazine
"those who do indulge will likely love (almost) every minute."
Honda Civic Type R - Hot hatch - First Drives - Carmagazine.co.uk

He has opinion, you have your own.

Munro · 18th November 2007, 22:39

robbo51 · 18th November 2007, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by THX1138

........
or
"Hey, Clarkson, has your Ford GT broken down again ?"

1. He has a Lamborghini Gallardo Spider now.
2. He was actually right on everything he said, it does understeer, it does have a compromised suspension, rear vision does take some getting used to and the seat function is crap.
Dont worry

He was really nit picking because he couldnt find very much wrong with the car.
3. It did go round the track faster than the old one (Stig driving)

Jack The Lad. · 18th November 2007, 22:49

Someone send the above and all the other pro new Civic TV progs' and car Mags' to the BBC, together with a reminder of what TG thought of it, when it first appeared on the streets.
Maybe they will sack the silly sod or even get the stig to drive it round the track, as he would know how to drive it, being half the weight of that b-gger.
Hope you are listening in Honda U.K., cos we are on your side here. ( So, get your C.Services. in order, for us loyal owners )

angie4m · 18th November 2007, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos1967

Also, I must say that angie4m is not making too many friends with her sweeping comments about drivers of the old Type R.

I'm sure your in the minority of drivers that are responsible but for one point of the feature Clarkson got it right when he pointed to the young lad in the crowd!

Honda have tried to get away from their image of the CTR being a boy racer car. It costs more to buy and insure and no doubt run!

As for the old CTR, I don't know anyone over the age of 25 who drives one! He also got it right about the boot being big enough for a sound system, most folk with the CTR aint gonna do that. Fact of the matter is Honda designed the new Type R to get away from the stereo typical driver which was a young male in his early 20's.....it now aimed at mid 30's professionals.

Example.........today minding my own business in a 40 limit doing 40 dead on and all of a sudden out of nowhere a gunmetal grey old style type r comes out of nowhere full of young lads and tries to overtake. I have to brake hard for the fact there is something on the other side of the road and he would hit a traffic island and then me! These are the kind of drivers I come up against every day in the old CTR, I must say on an occassion you do see someone in their 30's/40's and they are actually driving like every other civilised human being unlike the lads who think they are Lewis Hamilton!

angie4m · 18th November 2007, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos1967

Also, I must say that angie4m is not making too many friends with her sweeping comments about drivers of the old Type R.

I'm sure your in the minority of drivers that are responsible(when driving) but for one point of the feature Clarkson got it right when he pointed to the young lad in the crowd!

Honda have tried to get away from their image of the CTR being a boy racer car. It costs more to buy and insure and no doubt run!

As for the old CTR, I don't know anyone over the age of 25 who drives one! He also got it right about the boot being big enough for a sound system, most folk with the CTR aint gonna do that. Fact of the matter is Honda designed the new Type R to get away from the stereo typical driver which was a young male in his early 20's.....it now aimed at mid 30's professionals.

Example.........today minding my own business in a 40 limit doing 40 dead on and all of a sudden out of nowhere a gunmetal grey old style type r comes out of nowhere full of young lads and tries to overtake. I have to brake hard for the fact there is something on the other side of the road and he would hit a traffic island and then me! These are the kind of drivers I come up against every day in the old CTR, I must say on an occassion you do see someone in their 30's/40's and they are actually driving like every other civilised human being unlike the lads who think they are Lewis Hamilton!

brawnr · 18th November 2007, 23:32

Over the years I have come to realise that most of what comes out of Jezzas mouth is utter drivel. He's a funny guy and I enjoy the programs he makes, but you would be a lunatic to base any car judgement on his opinion.

I had the old EP3 Type R for 4 years and I have been driving the new one for a couple of months. I struggle to think of many things that I would like to carry over from the EP3 to the FN2.

The FN2 supasses the EP3 in almost every area; stearing feel, seats, stereo, sound insulation, general build quality, engine note etc. I'm also enjoying the extra kit like the rain sensing wipers, auto headlights, climate control etc. All of these combine to create a better car for the day-to-day driving. Ok, the ride is still stiff but so was the EP3.

Jezzas comments about the seat adjustment is valid I suppose, but the EP3 was exactly the same. He seemed to gloss over that. And the rear view really doesn't bother me at all (in fact I quite like the way it cuts out car headlights at night).

Oh, and the end result of the lap was that it was quicker than the 5k more expensive Golf GTI. So all those comments about its handling went in the bin. Its a shame Hammond or May didn't do the test drive, maybe then we would have had a more balanced review.

I wouldn't go back to the EP3 if you paid me.

THX1138 · 18th November 2007, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbo51

1. He has a Lamborghini Gallardo Spider now.
2. He was actually right on everything he said, it does understeer, it does have a compromised suspension, rear vision does take some getting used to and the seat function is crap.
Dont worry

He was really nit picking because he couldnt find very much wrong with the car.
3. It did go round the track faster than the old one (Stig driving)

Gallardo ? yeah, right. That's the car where the fuel filler cap doesn't work (see back a few Top Gear episodes), just like on our Civic's

Personally I've like to see the Hamster test it instead. It suits him better then it does Clarkson. We would've seen a very different review I think.

Dimplyred · 19th November 2007, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by brawnr

Over the years I have come to realise that most of what comes out of Jezzas mouth is utter drivel. He's a funny guy and I enjoy the programs he makes, but you would be a lunatic to base any car judgement on his opinion.

I had the old EP3 Type R for 4 years and I have been driving the new one for a couple of months. I struggle to think of many things that I would like to carry over from the EP3 to the FN2.

The FN2 supasses the EP3 in almost every area; stearing feel, seats, stereo, sound insulation, general build quality, engine note etc. I'm also enjoying the extra kit like the rain sensing wipers, auto headlights, climate control etc. All of these combine to create a better car for the day-to-day driving. Ok, the ride is still stiff but so was the EP3.

Jezzas comments about the seat adjustment is valid I suppose, but the EP3 was exactly the same. He seemed to gloss over that. And the rear view really doesn't bother me at all (in fact I quite like the way it cuts out car headlights at night).

Oh, and the end result of the lap was that it was quicker than the 5k more expensive Golf GTI. So all those comments about its handling went in the bin. Its a shame Hammond or May didn't do the test drive, maybe then we would have had a more balanced review.

I wouldn't go back to the EP3 if you paid me.

I can't comment on the ep3 as I have never driven one, from what I have read it was a very good fast car. I was never tempted to buy one because I thought it looked very bland. However I was so tempted to buy the new CTR that I did, and I am very very pleased with it. It's not all about performance statistics, various other aspect come into play too such as looks and styling.

I have found the new CTR very refined and fast compared to the cars I have been used to. I feel that JC's review of it tonight was a bit unfair, he really needed to justify his previous review back in May in the Times. After all the good things that have been said about it, he needed to save face and not have to admit he was wrong. The faults he picked up on were so pathetic, yes the seat are poor and yes the spoiler cuts across the rear view mirror but we have eyes we can see that for ourselves. Yes the beeper tells you the keys are in the ignition, so what???? But to say " as a hot hatch it is rubbish" and then for it to go around the track in such an good time is a bit of a contradiction in terms.

PWOOD · 19th November 2007, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark JB

Last car he gave a review like that too was the Vaxuhall Vectra and look what happened to that!

Even though no one drives the way he drives on public roads and all of

My type s is being delivered thursday and he has curbed all my enthusiasm. Only as all the Golf owning dimwits at work will surly mention the review every time we discuss cars!

Grrrrrrrr!

Just remind them which was quickest round the track .

R-2 · 19th November 2007, 01:11

I currently own the 'old type r but am about to pick up a new one in 2 weeks time. I love my old car especially the handling and the fantastic engine. I don't think any other manufacturer has come up with so much power out of a normally aspirated engine yet. So when the new type r was launched i wasn't disappointed that the engine was the same and i love the new styling. Buying another one was an easy decision.
So what if its a tiny bit slower don't think i'm going to notice that much - certainly didin't feel slower on the test drive. You still get that kick of the power surge when you vtech it. I think the old one just feels quicker because its much more raw and basic.
New one lost out to the old one in Top Gear feature because JC's driving is c**p. Quicker lap time by Stig is proof!
So I and all the other Type r owners on this forum will be very happy with their cars I'm sure. After all we own them and drive them every day.
What really p****s me off about Top Gear feature is that so many people watch it and base their opinions on it. So all i will get for the next few months is people telling me my new car isn't as good as the old one......

Dimplyred · 19th November 2007, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos1967

The majority of people who have the new Type R are obviously going to be slightly upset that the car that they have spent their hard earned cash on has been reviewed as 'not being as good as the old one'.

I have owned a 2002 Type R from new and I have recently driven the new Type R on a two week loan. I think that the new one was a better car than mine - so just because JC says something on Top Gear doesn't mean it is gospel. It is up to every one to form their own opinions (and personally I think JC is a tosspot).

I think part of the problem was that the old Type R got such a good review that everyones expectations were far too high for the new one.

Also, I must say that angie4m is not making too many friends with her sweeping comments about drivers of the old Type R.

Tosspot might not be the right word, hmmmmm no you're right it is

R-2 · 19th November 2007, 01:18

Oh and by the way I'm female and over 25!!

Dimplyred · 19th November 2007, 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-2

I currently own the 'old type r but am about to pick up a new one in 2 weeks time. I love my old car especially the handling and the fantastic engine. I don't think any other manufacturer has come up with so much power out of a normally aspirated engine yet. So when the new type r was launched i wasn't disappointed that the engine was the same and i love the new styling. Buying another one was an easy decision.
So what if its a tiny bit slower don't think i'm going to notice that much - certainly didin't feel slower on the test drive. You still get that kick of the power surge when you vtech it. I think the old one just feels quicker because its much more raw and basic.
New one lost out to the old one in Top Gear feature because JC's driving is c**p. Quicker lap time by Stig is proof!
So I and all the other Type r owners on this forum will be very happy with their cars I'm sure. After all we own them and drive them every day.
What really p****s me off about Top Gear feature is that so many people watch it and base their opinions on it. So all i will get for the next few months is people telling me my new car isn't as good as the old one......

Yes you're right so many people will take that review as the one that matters. They won't bother looking at all the other glowing reviews unless thay are thinking of buying one and start digging for info. That's the reason why we are so aware JC is talking crap.

Dimplyred · 19th November 2007, 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-2

Oh and by the way I'm female and over 25!!

Not female AND over 25 what a combination

R-2 · 19th November 2007, 01:33

Red Type R, black Type R - what a combination.....


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angie4m Naughty but nice Civinfo guru Join Date: 28th September 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,336 Thanks: 25 Thanked 50 Times in 50 Posts iTrader: (0)	Does the old one have VSA? Because Clarkson didn't mention taking it off like he usually does (example being the M5 where he took the traction off) never noticed any warning triangle on the dash. Just wondered if that was kicking in then? Plus if you had clarkson in the old one and the Stig in the new one what one would have one? My guess is the new one for the simple fact that the Stig or another trained driver knows how to take it right to the limit

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carlos1967 Valve Cap Join Date: 22nd April 2007 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The majority of people who have the new Type R are obviously going to be slightly upset that the car that they have spent their hard earned cash on has been reviewed as 'not being as good as the old one'. I have owned a 2002 Type R from new and I have recently driven the new Type R on a two week loan. I think that the new one was a better car than mine - so just because JC says something on Top Gear doesn't mean it is gospel. It is up to every one to form their own opinions (and personally I think JC is a tosspot). I think part of the problem was that the old Type R got such a good review that everyones expectations were far too high for the new one. Also, I must say that angie4m is not making too many friends with her sweeping comments about drivers of the old Type R.

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montana Valve Cap Join Date: 30th September 2007 Location: Cheshire Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	All it is, is biased entertainment. They did spend 15 minutes of their precious time on it, so they know it is a special car. Normally they only review supercars that none of us can afford. They were right about the memory with the seat though............

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matg Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd September 2007 Location: Near Cambridge Posts: 168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	What Car 4 out of 5 starts Honda Civic Hatchback 2.0 i-VTEC Type R 3dr Car Review Summary - What Car? AutoExpress Best Hot Hatch 2007 Honda Civic Type R \| New Car Honours 2007 \| Car Reviews \| Auto Express Telegraph Drive Good Review Warp factor 8,000 - Telegraph Autotrader "A modern masterpiece" 83% Honda Civic Type-R turns up the heat - Auto Trader UK – Features - News and Reviews Hub Channel 4 CAR 4.5 out of 5 Honda Civic Type-R (2007-) \| Road Test Review \| 4car \| channel4.com CAR magazine "those who do indulge will likely love (almost) every minute." Honda Civic Type R - Hot hatch - First Drives - Carmagazine.co.uk He has opinion, you have your own.

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 1,926 Thanks: 9 Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts iTrader: (0)	Someone send the above and all the other pro new Civic TV progs' and car Mags' to the BBC, together with a reminder of what TG thought of it, when it first appeared on the streets. Maybe they will sack the silly sod or even get the stig to drive it round the track, as he would know how to drive it, being half the weight of that b-gger. Hope you are listening in Honda U.K., cos we are on your side here. ( So, get your C.Services. in order, for us loyal owners )

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brawnr Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 20th August 2007 Posts: 172 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Over the years I have come to realise that most of what comes out of Jezzas mouth is utter drivel. He's a funny guy and I enjoy the programs he makes, but you would be a lunatic to base any car judgement on his opinion. I had the old EP3 Type R for 4 years and I have been driving the new one for a couple of months. I struggle to think of many things that I would like to carry over from the EP3 to the FN2. The FN2 supasses the EP3 in almost every area; stearing feel, seats, stereo, sound insulation, general build quality, engine note etc. I'm also enjoying the extra kit like the rain sensing wipers, auto headlights, climate control etc. All of these combine to create a better car for the day-to-day driving. Ok, the ride is still stiff but so was the EP3. Jezzas comments about the seat adjustment is valid I suppose, but the EP3 was exactly the same. He seemed to gloss over that. And the rear view really doesn't bother me at all (in fact I quite like the way it cuts out car headlights at night). Oh, and the end result of the lap was that it was quicker than the 5k more expensive Golf GTI. So all those comments about its handling went in the bin. Its a shame Hammond or May didn't do the test drive, maybe then we would have had a more balanced review. I wouldn't go back to the EP3 if you paid me.

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R-2 Type R Brigade member Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 1st October 2007 Location: Worcestershire Posts: 848 Thanks: 27 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts iTrader: (0)	I currently own the 'old type r but am about to pick up a new one in 2 weeks time. I love my old car especially the handling and the fantastic engine. I don't think any other manufacturer has come up with so much power out of a normally aspirated engine yet. So when the new type r was launched i wasn't disappointed that the engine was the same and i love the new styling. Buying another one was an easy decision. So what if its a tiny bit slower don't think i'm going to notice that much - certainly didin't feel slower on the test drive. You still get that kick of the power surge when you vtech it. I think the old one just feels quicker because its much more raw and basic. New one lost out to the old one in Top Gear feature because JC's driving is cp. Quicker lap time by Stig is proof! So I and all the other Type r owners on this forum will be very happy with their cars I'm sure. After all we own them and drive them every day. What really p**s me off about Top Gear feature is that so many people watch it and base their opinions on it. So all i will get for the next few months is people telling me my new car isn't as good as the old one......

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