type R panned by Clarkson

gb110430 · 18th November 2007, 21:22

Type R panned on top gear tonight and who can argue, jeremy didnt seem to actively bias against it, it understeers, is slow etc....

im a honda fan but why did they do this , how embarassing to be beat by a car 8 yrs older . the new civic just looks nicer

Woudl like to hear how anyone can defend this and this all went out on a prime tv show.......watched by millions

Edit TTDegs - thread title corrected

SHADEMASTER · 18th November 2007, 21:24

Whats a JV

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 21:26

in his eagerness to post he hit v which is next to c

angie4m · 18th November 2007, 21:26

Hmmm, let me see. The old one was driving by little picks! It was the Impreza of the hot hatch world before....now its not so probably cause it costs more than the old one.

They also failed to mention that the new one beat the old one round the new track! So do you think it was just JC's driving? Me thinks so!

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 21:29

I am not looking forward to going into work tomorrow.....lol

gb110430 · 18th November 2007, 21:29

true i agree the new one beat the old on the track but in reality who can argue with JC s comments, he didnt deliberately follow the old car, it was beaten off the line. Honda s type R clearly handles poorer and is slower..

this is not a dig at type R owners but Honda messed up

SHADEMASTER · 18th November 2007, 21:30

Three seconds faster than the old won

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 21:32

it was beaten of the line because Clarkson has the reactions of a sloth

gb110430 · 18th November 2007, 21:33

im not sure either way the new type R has not made that generation jump, honda cut costs and did it their way

Jack The Lad. · 18th November 2007, 21:41

As I have just posted in another thread, I think he is just a prat and is just climbing the ladder as a would be comic /talk host.
Given the chance IMO, he would like to take over from Parkinson and not show the slightest interest in cars. Him, -- take over from Parki', No chance.

Munro · 18th November 2007, 21:50

Topgear magazine rated the new CTR as best hot hatch out of 29 currently available, yet JC slates it (again). TG are not exactly consistent in their ratings.

Mark JB · 18th November 2007, 21:52

Last car he gave a review like that too was the Vaxuhall Vectra and look what happened to that!

Even though no one drives the way he drives on public roads and all of

My type s is being delivered thursday and he has curbed all my enthusiasm. Only as all the Golf owning dimwits at work will surly mention the review every time we discuss cars!

Grrrrrrrr!

matg · 18th November 2007, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by gb110430

Type R panned on top gear tonight and who can argue, jeremy didnt seem to actively bias against it, it understeers, is slow etc....

im a honda fan but why did they do this , how embarassing to be beat by a car 8 yrs older . the new civic just looks nicer

Woudl like to hear how anyone can defend this and this all went out on a prime tv show.......watched by millions

interesting, he slates it in The Times back in May
Jeremy Clarkson Honda Civic Type R review | Driving - Times Online

But on Topgear.com it gets:
Civic Type R
5 star rating

It's a hackneyed turn of phrase, calling a powertrain addictive, but if it ever warranted a renaissance it would be to describe the Civic R's two-litre VTEC unit and six-speed 'box. You're compelled to exploit the smooth surge of power as the revs build.

Top Gear | Honda Civic New Car Review

Scroll down to the bottom of the page

THX1138 · 18th November 2007, 21:57

I've come to see Top Gear as not so much information, but more entertainment. When the CTR was released in march they had a hot hatch top 20 on the website and the CTR came out on top. What we saw todat was Jeremy's own opinion, which we all know is biased for sure. He pratically owns the program, but I bet not everyone in the programs team agrees. So after they put it in the 1st spot in march it looks like it was time to bash it.

I have to merit them on also being fair though. They did point out a few of the car's poorest points and I have to agree on some.
The rear-suspension has to go. Please Honda, make it 2000 pounds more expensive, forget the boot space and give us back independent wishbones. Do the same thing for the 5-door version, so you won't have to build 2 different versions. At least do this for the 9th generation you're designing right now.

The seat memory has been a Honda bug for years. Been driving Honda's for years and I get used to it. And I never get in the back anyway so I don't give a rats ass. But he is right. How hard can it be to fit that memory. The automatich windscreen wiper seems much more complicated and it has one of those.

But I have to disagree on the the rear-spoiler. When you get in you think it's a problem. But anyone who uses it daily knows it no problem whatsoever. It's even a benefit when you have someone behind you in heavy traffic. It blockes out the headlights for free.

The key warning is a typical "Jeremy want's to come across funny" thing. Just take out the key before you open the door, which is what the warning is for in the 1ste place. Usesless idiot.

As for the track time. In the end, it doesn't matter if a car is 1 or 2 seconds slower of faster then any other car. The results were close enough. And be honest, where can you drive your car at such limits that those 1 or 2 seconds would matter. Right, nowhere.

It matters if you like it. The bloke in the audience was right. The new one looks much better and has more gadgets.

gb110430 · 18th November 2007, 22:00

very true the new one wins hands down on looks

SHADEMASTER · 18th November 2007, 22:02

The new Type R done the track in 1:33.5
Check out how this compares on the Top Gear board
BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps

The Type R on the board at 1:36.5 is obviously the old won

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 22:09

so why was the old type-r's time not spoken about on the show

surely it would have been logical to say...well heres the old type-r's time lets see what the new one can do....but no

What does it matter anyway...the new style civics are the best looking cars on the road and make everything else look like they are from the 70's

fennj · 18th November 2007, 22:15

I've read and watched lots or reviews of this car and it is number 1 in the Hot Hatch standings with most sources ; Auto Express 5th Gear etc.

It has been engineered to be easier to live with, so a little softer, but in real world use that's what counts. How many get thrashed round tracks, most get polished and cherished.

I have read most of clarksons books, bought his dvds and haven't missed a top gear episode for over ten years but I think he's wrong here, way off the mark, the new type R is an improvement, especially in the looks department the old one looks like a brad van.

THX1138 · 18th November 2007, 22:17

How much discount do you think we could get on a large amount of bumper stickers ?

"Jeremy Clarkson hates this car, but he's a ****** so......."
or
"If you can read this Clarkson, you need to speed up....."
or
"Hey, Clarkson, has your Ford GT broken down again ?"

jamesaberdeen73 · 18th November 2007, 22:18

how about a type-r meet on Clarksons front lawn

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18th November 2007, 21:29	#6 (permalink)
gb110430 Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	true i agree the new one beat the old on the track but in reality who can argue with JC s comments, he didnt deliberately follow the old car, it was beaten off the line. Honda s type R clearly handles poorer and is slower.. this is not a dig at type R owners but Honda messed up

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jamesaberdeen73 Supporter Join Date: 3rd October 2007 Location: Turriff Posts: 175 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	it was beaten of the line because Clarkson has the reactions of a sloth

18th November 2007, 21:33	#9 (permalink)
gb110430 Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	im not sure either way the new type R has not made that generation jump, honda cut costs and did it their way

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Jack The Lad. Supporter Join Date: 28th August 2007 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 2,807 Thanks: 16 Thanked 77 Times in 77 Posts iTrader: (0)	As I have just posted in another thread, I think he is just a prat and is just climbing the ladder as a would be comic /talk host. Given the chance IMO, he would like to take over from Parkinson and not show the slightest interest in cars. Him, -- take over from Parki', No chance.

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Munro Supporter Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,676 Thanks: 47 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader: (0)	Topgear magazine rated the new CTR as best hot hatch out of 29 currently available, yet JC slates it (again). TG are not exactly consistent in their ratings.

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Mark JB Join Date: 19th October 2007 Location: West Midlands Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Last car he gave a review like that too was the Vaxuhall Vectra and look what happened to that! Even though no one drives the way he drives on public roads and all of My type s is being delivered thursday and he has curbed all my enthusiasm. Only as all the Golf owning dimwits at work will surly mention the review every time we discuss cars! Grrrrrrrr!

18th November 2007, 21:57	#14 (permalink)
THX1138 Join Date: 2nd March 2007 Location: Den Haag, The Netherlands Posts: 386 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I've come to see Top Gear as not so much information, but more entertainment. When the CTR was released in march they had a hot hatch top 20 on the website and the CTR came out on top. What we saw todat was Jeremy's own opinion, which we all know is biased for sure. He pratically owns the program, but I bet not everyone in the programs team agrees. So after they put it in the 1st spot in march it looks like it was time to bash it. I have to merit them on also being fair though. They did point out a few of the car's poorest points and I have to agree on some. The rear-suspension has to go. Please Honda, make it 2000 pounds more expensive, forget the boot space and give us back independent wishbones. Do the same thing for the 5-door version, so you won't have to build 2 different versions. At least do this for the 9th generation you're designing right now. The seat memory has been a Honda bug for years. Been driving Honda's for years and I get used to it. And I never get in the back anyway so I don't give a rats ass. But he is right. How hard can it be to fit that memory. The automatich windscreen wiper seems much more complicated and it has one of those. But I have to disagree on the the rear-spoiler. When you get in you think it's a problem. But anyone who uses it daily knows it no problem whatsoever. It's even a benefit when you have someone behind you in heavy traffic. It blockes out the headlights for free. The key warning is a typical "Jeremy want's to come across funny" thing. Just take out the key before you open the door, which is what the warning is for in the 1ste place. Usesless idiot. As for the track time. In the end, it doesn't matter if a car is 1 or 2 seconds slower of faster then any other car. The results were close enough. And be honest, where can you drive your car at such limits that those 1 or 2 seconds would matter. Right, nowhere. It matters if you like it. The bloke in the audience was right. The new one looks much better and has more gadgets.

18th November 2007, 22:00	#15 (permalink)
gb110430 Join Date: 10th February 2007 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	very true the new one wins hands down on looks

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SHADEMASTER Type R GT (R-8065) Join Date: 4th July 2007 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 431 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	The new Type R done the track in 1:33.5 Check out how this compares on the Top Gear board BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps The Type R on the board at 1:36.5 is obviously the old won

18th November 2007, 22:09	#17 (permalink)
jamesaberdeen73 Supporter Join Date: 3rd October 2007 Location: Turriff Posts: 175 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	so why was the old type-r's time not spoken about on the show surely it would have been logical to say...well heres the old type-r's time lets see what the new one can do....but no What does it matter anyway...the new style civics are the best looking cars on the road and make everything else look like they are from the 70's

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fennj Join Date: 20th April 2007 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 188 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	I've read and watched lots or reviews of this car and it is number 1 in the Hot Hatch standings with most sources ; Auto Express 5th Gear etc. It has been engineered to be easier to live with, so a little softer, but in real world use that's what counts. How many get thrashed round tracks, most get polished and cherished. I have read most of clarksons books, bought his dvds and haven't missed a top gear episode for over ten years but I think he's wrong here, way off the mark, the new type R is an improvement, especially in the looks department the old one looks like a brad van.

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THX1138 Join Date: 2nd March 2007 Location: Den Haag, The Netherlands Posts: 386 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	How much discount do you think we could get on a large amount of bumper stickers ? "Jeremy Clarkson hates this car, but he's a ****** so......." or "If you can read this Clarkson, you need to speed up....." or "Hey, Clarkson, has your Ford GT broken down again ?"

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jamesaberdeen73 Supporter Join Date: 3rd October 2007 Location: Turriff Posts: 175 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	how about a type-r meet on Clarksons front lawn