Honest John review of 9G Civic

[sjg]

Noticed this was up - pretty favourable.

Civic 2012 | Honda | Car Reviews | Honest John

it rides superbly well. In fact the ride quality is better than any other hatchback of this size - and that includes the excellent Ford Focus.

[Kremmen]

Suspension on par or better than the Focus

Dash info can be obscured - yep I spotted that one early on, same as current model. You will need to position the steering wheel for dashboard, not for comfort.

Some useful controls obscured behind the gearstick - ala Golf, yep backward step.

Other than that seems a good review.

[Munro]

The what's bad section of the review is good !

Civic 2012 | Honda | Car Reviews | Honest John

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DERV RULES

[Kremmen]

Not at servicing time it doesn't, the additional cost would wipe out any savings made in between

Plus they don't do a derv auto yet.

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

Not at servicing time it doesn't, the additional cost would wipe out any savings made in between Plus they don't do a derv auto yet.

+999 ...

Here, the 2.2 cost some £4,500 more than the 1.8 (8th. gen.) - the servicing is a good deal more expensive - the fuel is dearer (per litre), insurance premiums are higher, and DPFs are compulsory ...

Depreciation %s are about the same, and MPG of course normally favours the Diesel ...

For me, I calculated that I'd take an average annual "hit" of perhaps some £1500 \ £2000 ? ...

Same for all other makes - and yet, some 70% of all new sales are Diesels, in a country where most folk have relatively low annual mileages (long trips are SO long here, and the roads SO slow, that folk hop on a plane or train) ...

Why ? - well, a few years ago, the government announce that Diesels would "save the planet", so taxes would be reduced on Diesel cars and fuel - this because CO2 levels would plummet ! (you wouldn't believe how many greenish nutjobs there are here) ...

Then they turned around and said "errmm, slight mistake, we didn't actually understand the science behind this - Diesel, NOx, and particulate emissions are going to kill us all, so to save the planet, we're going to reverse the earlier decision and up the taxes again" ...

And folk still continue to support the Fuel of Satan - DUUHHH ! ...

[chillidog]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

Then they turned around and said "errmm, slight mistake, we didn't actually understand the science behind this, Diesel NOx and particulate emissions are going to kill us all, so to save the planet, we're going to reverse the earlier decision and up the taxes again" ...

Sounds familiar. Like CO2 is the only thing coming out of an exhaust pipe.

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by chillidog

Sounds familiar. Like CO2 is the only thing coming out of an exhaust pipe.

Exactly - but that's what the "crypto-greenies" are hooked on ...

And as I do have 'opinions' re this sort of stuff, I remember originally saying that they had an incredibly one sided and illogical viewpoint ...

On the other hand, how many Politicians or whatever have ever said that the CO2 etc. science wasn't actually understood ? ...

RANT ON ...

As far as I'm concerned, we need more CO2 - it's literally the "stuff of life" (plant food) ! ...

It's CO and NOx and Carbon particulates that are the nasties - all of which a modern Petrol \ Methanol \ LPG engine with a catalytic converter are particularly good at minimising ...

Bit off topic, but the real solution (imho) is a whole slew of Nuclear-powered electricity generating plants, with Hydrogen production facilities ...

Would solve, "at a stroke": a} the electrical power shortage that is coming; b} the eventual diminuition of fossil fuels; c} any concern regarding emissions, as there are none (except water) from combusting hydrogen ...

p.s. - and we should be burning our garbage (ultra high temperature incineration = molecular level recycling) instead of burying \ dumping it ! ...

RANT OFF ...

[bodgerx]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

Exactly - but that's what the "crypto-greenies" are hooked on ...

And as I do have 'opinions' re this sort of stuff, I remember originally saying that they had an incredibly one sided and illogical viewpoint ...

On the other hand, how many Politicians or whatever have ever said that the CO2 etc. science wasn't actually understood ? ...

RANT ON ...

As far as I'm concerned, we need more CO2 - it's literally the "stuff of life" (plant food) ! ...

It's CO and NOx and Carbon particulates that are the nasties - all of which a modern Petrol \ Methanol \ LPG engine with a catalytic converter are particularly good at minimising ...

Bit off topic, but the real solution (imho) is a whole slew of Nuclear-powered electricity generating plants, with Hydrogen production facilities ...

Would solve, "at a stroke": a} the electrical power shortage that is coming; b} the eventual diminuition of fossil fuels; c} any concern regarding emissions, as there are none (except water) from combusting hydrogen ...

p.s. - and we should be burning our garbage (ultra high temperature incineration = molecular level recycling) instead of burying \ dumping it ! ...

RANT OFF ...

You really should know better. "Wasn't actually understood"? How much more do you need to understand before it hits you between the eyes like a dirty great wet fish?

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by bodgerx

You really should know better. "Wasn't actually understood"? How much more do you need to understand before it hits you between the eyes like a dirty great wet fish?

I don't find your response to be either relevant or helpful ...

My posts were about the Diesel versus Petrol cost issue, with a small side trail into their emissions ...

Post # 6 : " ... they turned around and said "errmm, slight mistake, we didn't actually understand the science behind this ... " ...

It was the Politicians here who said this ! - not me - offer your "wet fish" to them, please ...

Post # 8 : " ... we need more CO2 - it's literally the "stuff of life" (plant food) ... it's CO and NOx and Carbon particulates that are the nasties - all of which a modern Petrol \ Methanol \ LPG engine with a catalytic converter are particularly good at minimising ... " ...

I stand by this - the point again being that the Internal Combustion Engne is here to stay - the choice is Diesel or Petrol - I believe Petrol is better ...

p.s. - you do realise that you are pretty much the sole 'AGW' alarmist we have ? ...

[Kremmen]

Taking into account :

Diesel cost at the pump v Petrol Cost at the pump v higher diesel mpg v servicing cost ......

I wonder at what annual mileage is break even point between the 2 ?

[coste1l]

my motivation was mpg v remapped power are service costs higher for the derv? its only oil and filters

[Kremmen]

Considerably higher.

I seem to recall a recent post where a single 'major' derv service was almost the same that I paid up front for 5 years worth of petrol servicing.

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

Considerably higher. I seem to recall a recent post where a single 'major' derv service was almost the same that I paid up front for 5 years worth of petrol servicing.

Indeed - although "x 5" seems a bit extreme ! ...

And here, your Insurance would be higher for a 2.2 versus a 1.8 ...

For me, my rough estimate is that the 'break-even' point would be somewhere between 50K Km \ 30K Miles per year and 75% of that ...

[Kremmen]

I'm sure I saw a post recently where a quote for a single derv service, year 4 I seem to recall, had been quoted in the very high £400's whereas my 5 year Honda Happiness deal was £540 for the first 5 services.

I'll see if I can find it .............. after lunch

[Santtu Pikkarainen]

The Dutch Autoweek was complaining about the ride being too soft and no way near it's class leaders. But that is Autoweek and since Honda is no German brand......

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Kremmen

I'm sure I saw a post recently where a quote for a single derv service, year 4 I seem to recall, had been quoted in the very high £400's whereas my 5 year Honda Happiness deal was £540 for the first 5 services. I'll see if I can find it .............. after lunch

But, that wouldn't be an "apples for apples" of comparison ...

• 'HonHapp' for the 2.2 versus the 1.8
• Year 4 service for the 2.2 versus 1.8

Either of those would be valid ...

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Santtu Pikkarainen

The Dutch Autoweek was complaining about the ride being too soft and no way near it's class leaders. But that is Autoweek and since Honda is no German brand......

Didn't they also say that the 8th. Gen. ride was too hard ?!?!?! ...

[Santtu Pikkarainen]

Originally Posted by J. Derek Riddell

Didn't they also say that the 8th. Gen. ride was too hard ?!?!?! ...

Yes, they did! Ofcourse!
At the Dutch Top Gear magazine they also complained about the lack of space in the rear. Nonsense! It was the largest at the rear from all cars I've tested (including the prev gen Focus) before choosing the Civic.

[J. Derek Riddell]

Originally Posted by Santtu Pikkarainen

Yes, they did! Of course! At the Dutch Top Gear magazine they also complained about the lack of space in the rear. Nonsense! It was the largest at the rear from all cars I've tested (including the prev gen Focus) before choosing the Civic.

Ah, so I did remember correctly ! ...

And as for rear space - totally agree - from the outside it doesn't look big, but the rear headroom and legroom is better than most cars in the 'next size up' range - and the boot space is tremendous ...