1.8 EX 6 months in - very dissapointing - Page 2

Jeroen1000 · 10th March 2008, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

Some HID (also known as Xenon) lights, e.g. BMW, have a more focused (projected) beam which gives more light.

Lights - Civinfo Wiki

I've been search for that wiki entry

must have been looking in the wrong place. Thx

FWH · 10th March 2008, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeroen1000

I've been search for that wiki entry

must have been looking in the wrong place. Thx

It is in the FAQ section.

TTDegs · 13th March 2008, 00:41

G'won then - my 2p

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed mine goes round corners likes it is on rails - better than my TT used to
The dash rattles in many places mine is squeak and rattle free
The HID lights are rubbish again, at least as good as my TT ones were (once adjusted up a bit anyway)
The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods with the exception of my Dad (who complains no matter what phone I call him on), mine seems to be fine. Except for the very first call each day, when it refuses to understand 'redial'
Soundproofing is really poor yep
Auto wipers take ages to come on please check the auto wiper thread in Electrics section - they should wipe as you take your foot off the brakes?
Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off I don't use Cruise much, but haven't noticed this...
Ipod connection is a rip off Ipod is a rip off But yes, lead is overpriced
Computer overstates speed & MPG speed, yes but I know by how much. MPG a bit, but within a reasonable error %
Suspension is noisy mine seems to be one of the ones which isn't
Stereo poor Head unit ok, bassworks 'upgrade' is, well, not ok.

It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down. The alternative is to put the price up...

I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months.

Mine is also going in 6 months - but will be replaced by another one

Sorry tongie, that probably didn't help much!

But yes, I wouldn't be too pleased with the issues you have either

l-noel · 23rd April 2008, 15:32

My comments to your points :

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed
Cornering is good, handling very good, ride is firm but I like it this way. The only minus is the "big" giration radius but I think it is thatactual way of designing this type of car. And all these points have been discovered during the tests drive I've made (3 times)
The dash rattles in many places
Mine is squeaking since this winter. but less than my previous cars. must be fixed during the next service (today)
The HID lights are rubbish
I was disapointed too. It was my first car with HID lamps and I was hoping something brighter until I test drive some other car with HID. I think yet that the Civic is in the to range.
The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods
I cant say anithing about that I did'nt have this gadjet in mine.
Soundproofing is really poor.
I found My diesel Engine very quite. Road/wind noise is normal for this type of car.
Auto wipers take ages to come on
Not sure about that. I did have this feature with the 307. the Wipers come later than the Honda as well as the lights, but when it was raining tha lights and the wipers come together...
Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off.
I Found the system simple, smooth and efficient ! The best I've seen in this range of cars.
Ipod connection is a rip off
As said in this forum !
Computer overstates speed & MPG
Yes it is well known, but as said by other we know by how much ... just to go back on one of your other post, the Odometer have to be accurate. If not Honda could not sell the car in Europe !
Suspension is noisy
What do you call a noisy suspension ? If it is noisy it mean you must have a problem (shock absorber or other parts) Ask your dealer !!!
Stereo poor.
It's is not a HiFi system. The sound is good enough for the FM radio and listening some MP3. If you have some problems with MP3 it's maybe due to the way you are burning MP3, look at the Wiki for the correct way to burn the MP3 . Lack of Bass ... I'm not sure but I dont want to be deaf at 50

It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down.
I'm driving a 7th gen Civic today (mine is at the dealer for servicing)... I found the materials used are the same grade but look at my review

I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months.

I'm sorry it dont work for you and hope you will be more satisfied with your next one. I know your feelings becaus I did have the same with my previous car (a 307 Peugeot). I'm not sure I will by another 307 but if they design an exiting car why not (a 308 coupe maybe ?) But it would have to compete against the civic !

Guitaralmond · 23rd April 2008, 16:06

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Originally Posted by FWH

I have also had an EX for just over 6 months.

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed
- I don´t agree - I like the handling.

The dash rattles in many places
- Mine is fine so far, but one of the demo cars I drove was quite bad.

The HID lights are rubbish
- I have seen better (projector type) but I would not say rubbish

The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods
- With you on this one...

Soundproofing is really poor
- Again, I have driven better (at a higher price) but also much worse. I have no complaint.

Auto wipers take ages to come on
- I have no issue with mine.

Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off
- I have no issue with mine.

Ipod connection is a rip off
- Yes, which is why I did not buy one after consulting this forum.

Computer overstates speed & MPG
- Yes, but then many do. Not an issue for me. I have added a seperate GPS based speedo / cam warning device.

Suspension is noisy
- Mine is ok so far.

Stereo poor
- My radio reception is inferior at times, but apart from that it is ok for me.

It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down.
- I am afraid that is the world we live in...

I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months
- I might and I am not...

There is no such thing as the perfect car, the Civic has it´s good and bad points.
I certainly do not regret buying mine.
Coolest little hatchback on the market in my not so humble opinion.

Same here, stop whining

PaulHod · 29th April 2008, 13:26

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed
- I don´t agree - mine sticks like s**t to a blanket if you pardon the analogy.

The dash rattles in many places
- only squeak or rattle ive noticed is when ive got too much in the glove box and it catches on the inside.

The HID lights are rubbish
- mine are fine much better than halogen

The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods
- No problem with it myself i use the HFT all the time with no issue. Voice activation is good too apart from the dictionary could be a bit bigger

Soundproofing is really poor
- no issues here id rather get a little road noise to keep me awake.

Auto wipers take ages to come on
- they work fine for me at middle position no issues at all.

Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off
- works great on the Deisel.

Ipod connection is a rip off
- not got one so no comment here.

Computer overstates speed & MPG
- Yes, but as others have said its better than getting a ticket.

Suspension is noisy
- no noise from mine.

Stereo poor
- Stereo in mine is fine its fab for MP3s etc.

3rd Honda · 29th April 2008, 14:52

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Originally Posted by TTDegs

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed mine goes round corners likes it is on rails - better than my TT used to

The original comment was that the ride is awful. A load of replies have come back saying how good the handling is! I have just quoted one at random above.

The handling and cornering are indeed good, but it remains a fact that the ride is awful. On that I think most people agree.

An awful ride is NOT necessary to have good handling. The two are certainly related, but the original post particularly commented on the ride. If people really think that the ride is good - I'm amazed. Personally, I too find the ride awful, and its got worse since the car was new and my own view is that the springs are too hard, and the damping too soft.

Usually - to get good handling and a fairly good (if firm) ride high quality dampers are needed combined with carefully selected spring rates. If over stiff springs are used with poor dampers, the result is a hard bouncy ride that 'crashes through holes and over bumps' rather than absorbs their worst effects by well damped flexible movement.

defrece · 29th April 2008, 15:05

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Originally Posted by tongie

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed

Just out of interest do you regularly check tyre preasures because i found the handling a big disappointment/scary to start with but after sorting the tyre preasures i have really started to enjoy the local b roads!!!

Nemesis · 29th April 2008, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongie

I'm not sure if others agree with me but I think the EX model (and civic generally) has many faults. My observations are:

The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed
The dash rattles in many places
The HID lights are rubbish
The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods
Soundproofing is really poor
Auto wipers take ages to come on
Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off
Ipod connection is a rip off
Computer overstates speed & MPG
Suspension is noisy
Stereo poor

It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down.

I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months.

So glad I've ordered one!!

jazzman · 30th April 2008, 09:06

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

So glad I've ordered one!!

I hope you enjoy your`s as much as we enjoy our beauty, it`s wonderful

stayrich · 30th April 2008, 11:04

Had a 2.2es for five weeks and love everything about it. Test drove everything in the same class upto 20k and the civic was a clear winner for both of us and its the best looking car on the road. I think to dislike it so much you must have a duff one.

allan40alt · 30th April 2008, 11:24

Yes, I agree with everything you've said about the iPod connection; but as I don't want an iPod connection then I don't care.

Everything else you've said I have to disagree with. My EX has been perfect in every respect.

FWH · 30th April 2008, 11:34

Had my EX 8 months and I a happy with it.

The paint is weak and the voice recog for the phone usually gets the first try wrong - but then works - for some odd reason.

No issues with suspension etc for me.
Cruise control is fine.

There are other cars that are quieter, but it is not so bad in my opinion.

NH Dan · 30th April 2008, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

So glad I've ordered one!!

as you'll see with the multiple answers to the post, all of the issues raised are subject to opinion, some people feel that everything works fine others dont. Personally, i've not had any of these issues raised by any of my customers.

HappyMan · 1st May 2008, 07:11

What I don't understand about people who complain about the ride quality is what did they do on the test drive? I mean the car didn't suddenly change from test driven car to the car you bought, did it?

I have had my car since December 07 and I am loving it - my wife even comments that the ride is better than her Fabia, which is very good in my opinion.

I have the windscreen problem as I have stated previously(somewhere) but it can be fixed as per instructions on here - so that's good enough for me.

3rd Honda · 1st May 2008, 11:59

I did have a demo car, and yes, the ride was a bit poor on that, but it was very low mileage and cars often are a bit stiff when brand new. It may also have had different tyres as I only had a lower spec model available to test. But mainly I tended to ignore the ride as there were lots of very appealing and good aspects that caught my attention and swayed my decision. Certainly - the ride was one of the 'less good' aspects of that car.

I have to say that my own car on arrival didn't seem too bad, but since I have had a load of problems with the suspension (two new sets of rear dampers, front strut and several delaer visits, either I'm more sensitive to its deficiencies, or its got worse since new (I suspect a bit of both).

Certainly there is now a lot more suspension and body crashes, noises and rattles that make the hard ride more noticeable than there were when the car was new. When it was almost rattle and crash free, now far from it. Noise accompanying bumps will tend to make them appear more severe.

I

Woette · 1st May 2008, 14:04

I just went on a 2 days road trip in the belgian ardennes. Did 550 km in that time, spent over 7 hours of driving in my type-S. Now as some of you migt know, the roads over there are absolutely rubbish. Putholes everywhere, curved roads etc. At first i was also afraid because of the stiff suspension of the type-S but at no point at all, the car let me down. As comparison, a mate of mine had an audi a6. Now that ride was sublime and after getting back in my car, it felt a bit crashy but then again: his car couldn't take the corners as good as mine. The civic has a very good balance between ride comfort and grip.
Might post a video of me taking a VERY curved corner

, would say it had a slope of about 25 - 30 degrees :d, very good for maintaining your speed

grtz

GHGH · 5th May 2008, 07:46

I'm with Woette. Had similar experience last summer in northern Norway with up to 650km / 400 mi a day om narrow curvy roads. We were surprised by the OK comfort.
And as the driver, I feel that superior grip and handling predictivity is positive comfort factors when driving on bad roads.

amronno · 6th May 2008, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan40alt

Yes, I agree with everything you've said about the iPod connection; but as I don't want an iPod connection then I don't care.

Everything else you've said I have to disagree with. My EX has been perfect in every respect.

You beat me on this one, allan!!!

Honda rules!

cb550 · 7th May 2008, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by amronno

You beat me on this one, allan!!!

Honda rules!

At the moment my faith is tested just a little

Today coming off a roundabout(fairly pronounced left out) my car gave another 'clunk' from under the car.At the first occasion to brake it gave its customary secondary clunk to 'cancel' the first.

Tommorow the car goes in for the third examination,although quite what they intend doing that they did'nt do the previous times I do'nt know.

What they did do first off was the handbrake and door latch recall.Had I known they were going to do that I would have asked them to leave it alone -I now have a somewhat clunky driver's door handle which I thought was perfect- before it was touched to 'fix' the apparant issue of clunky handles

Best thing is to let them concentrate on one thing at a time.It'll be interesting what comes out of tomorrow's visit

13th March 2008, 00:41	#23 (permalink)
TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,634 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	G'won then - my 2p The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed mine goes round corners likes it is on rails - better than my TT used to The dash rattles in many places mine is squeak and rattle free The HID lights are rubbish again, at least as good as my TT ones were (once adjusted up a bit anyway) The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods with the exception of my Dad (who complains no matter what phone I call him on), mine seems to be fine. Except for the very first call each day, when it refuses to understand 'redial' Soundproofing is really poor yep Auto wipers take ages to come on please check the auto wiper thread in Electrics section - they should wipe as you take your foot off the brakes? Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off I don't use Cruise much, but haven't noticed this... Ipod connection is a rip off Ipod is a rip off But yes, lead is overpriced Computer overstates speed & MPG speed, yes but I know by how much. MPG a bit, but within a reasonable error % Suspension is noisy mine seems to be one of the ones which isn't Stereo poor Head unit ok, bassworks 'upgrade' is, well, not ok. It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down. The alternative is to put the price up... I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months. Mine is also going in 6 months - but will be replaced by another one Sorry tongie, that probably didn't help much! But yes, I wouldn't be too pleased with the issues you have either

23rd April 2008, 15:32	#24 (permalink)
l-noel Wine and cooking ! Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th December 2006 Location: Roanne-France Posts: 1,328 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts iTrader: (0)	My comments to your points : The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed Cornering is good, handling very good, ride is firm but I like it this way. The only minus is the "big" giration radius but I think it is thatactual way of designing this type of car. And all these points have been discovered during the tests drive I've made (3 times) The dash rattles in many places Mine is squeaking since this winter. but less than my previous cars. must be fixed during the next service (today) The HID lights are rubbish I was disapointed too. It was my first car with HID lamps and I was hoping something brighter until I test drive some other car with HID. I think yet that the Civic is in the to range. The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods I cant say anithing about that I did'nt have this gadjet in mine. Soundproofing is really poor. I found My diesel Engine very quite. Road/wind noise is normal for this type of car. Auto wipers take ages to come on Not sure about that. I did have this feature with the 307. the Wipers come later than the Honda as well as the lights, but when it was raining tha lights and the wipers come together... Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off. I Found the system simple, smooth and efficient ! The best I've seen in this range of cars. Ipod connection is a rip off As said in this forum ! Computer overstates speed & MPG Yes it is well known, but as said by other we know by how much ... just to go back on one of your other post, the Odometer have to be accurate. If not Honda could not sell the car in Europe ! Suspension is noisy What do you call a noisy suspension ? If it is noisy it mean you must have a problem (shock absorber or other parts) Ask your dealer !!! Stereo poor. It's is not a HiFi system. The sound is good enough for the FM radio and listening some MP3. If you have some problems with MP3 it's maybe due to the way you are burning MP3, look at the Wiki for the correct way to burn the MP3 . Lack of Bass ... I'm not sure but I dont want to be deaf at 50 It feels like they had to compromise the quality to keep the cost down. I'm driving a 7th gen Civic today (mine is at the dealer for servicing)... I found the materials used are the same grade but look at my review I certainly will not buy another Honda and will be getting rid of it within 6 months. I'm sorry it dont work for you and hope you will be more satisfied with your next one. I know your feelings becaus I did have the same with my previous car (a 307 Peugeot). I'm not sure I will by another 307 but if they design an exiting car why not (a 308 coupe maybe ?) But it would have to compete against the civic !

29th April 2008, 13:26	#26 (permalink)
PaulHod Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 31st March 2008 Location: Manchester,UK Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	The ride is awful especially cornering at any kind of speed - I don´t agree - mine sticks like s**t to a blanket if you pardon the analogy. The dash rattles in many places - only squeak or rattle ive noticed is when ive got too much in the glove box and it catches on the inside. The HID lights are rubbish - mine are fine much better than halogen The hands free/voice activation is a joke even after mods - No problem with it myself i use the HFT all the time with no issue. Voice activation is good too apart from the dictionary could be a bit bigger Soundproofing is really poor - no issues here id rather get a little road noise to keep me awake. Auto wipers take ages to come on - they work fine for me at middle position no issues at all. Cruise control is not smooth especially when it backs off - works great on the Deisel. Ipod connection is a rip off - not got one so no comment here. Computer overstates speed & MPG - Yes, but as others have said its better than getting a ticket. Suspension is noisy - no noise from mine. Stereo poor - Stereo in mine is fine its fab for MP3s etc.

1st May 2008, 14:04	#37 (permalink)
Woette Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 7th October 2007 Location: Leuven, Belgium Posts: 399 Thanks: 8 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	I just went on a 2 days road trip in the belgian ardennes. Did 550 km in that time, spent over 7 hours of driving in my type-S. Now as some of you migt know, the roads over there are absolutely rubbish. Putholes everywhere, curved roads etc. At first i was also afraid because of the stiff suspension of the type-S but at no point at all, the car let me down. As comparison, a mate of mine had an audi a6. Now that ride was sublime and after getting back in my car, it felt a bit crashy but then again: his car couldn't take the corners as good as mine. The civic has a very good balance between ride comfort and grip. Might post a video of me taking a VERY curved corner , would say it had a slope of about 25 - 30 degrees :d, very good for maintaining your speed grtz Last edited by Woette; 1st May 2008 at 14:07.


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stayrich Valve Cap Join Date: 17th April 2008 Location: cornwall england Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Had a 2.2es for five weeks and love everything about it. Test drove everything in the same class upto 20k and the civic was a clear winner for both of us and its the best looking car on the road. I think to dislike it so much you must have a duff one.

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: England Posts: 2,253 Thanks: 13 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes, I agree with everything you've said about the iPod connection; but as I don't want an iPod connection then I don't care. Everything else you've said I have to disagree with. My EX has been perfect in every respect.

30th April 2008, 11:34	#33 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,500 Thanks: 20 Thanked 86 Times in 79 Posts iTrader: (0)	Had my EX 8 months and I a happy with it. The paint is weak and the voice recog for the phone usually gets the first try wrong - but then works - for some odd reason. No issues with suspension etc for me. Cruise control is fine. There are other cars that are quieter, but it is not so bad in my opinion.

1st May 2008, 07:11	#35 (permalink)
HappyMan Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 16th August 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 3,644 Thanks: 30 Thanked 91 Times in 85 Posts iTrader: (0)	What I don't understand about people who complain about the ride quality is what did they do on the test drive? I mean the car didn't suddenly change from test driven car to the car you bought, did it? I have had my car since December 07 and I am loving it - my wife even comments that the ride is better than her Fabia, which is very good in my opinion. I have the windscreen problem as I have stated previously(somewhere) but it can be fixed as per instructions on here - so that's good enough for me.

1st May 2008, 11:59	#36 (permalink)
3rd Honda Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th July 2006 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 414 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	I did have a demo car, and yes, the ride was a bit poor on that, but it was very low mileage and cars often are a bit stiff when brand new. It may also have had different tyres as I only had a lower spec model available to test. But mainly I tended to ignore the ride as there were lots of very appealing and good aspects that caught my attention and swayed my decision. Certainly - the ride was one of the 'less good' aspects of that car. I have to say that my own car on arrival didn't seem too bad, but since I have had a load of problems with the suspension (two new sets of rear dampers, front strut and several delaer visits, either I'm more sensitive to its deficiencies, or its got worse since new (I suspect a bit of both). Certainly there is now a lot more suspension and body crashes, noises and rattles that make the hard ride more noticeable than there were when the car was new. When it was almost rattle and crash free, now far from it. Noise accompanying bumps will tend to make them appear more severe. I

5th May 2008, 07:46	#38 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,050 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm with Woette. Had similar experience last summer in northern Norway with up to 650km / 400 mi a day om narrow curvy roads. We were surprised by the OK comfort. And as the driver, I feel that superior grip and handling predictivity is positive comfort factors when driving on bad roads.