Spare flat tyre No spare - Page 3

Doubtingthomas · 15th January 2008, 16:41

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Originally Posted by allan40alt

Doesn't the punctured tyre fit back in the boot-well? It looks as if there's enough space. Otherwise the magic seat will come into play, I guess.

No - there ain't enough room, at least I don't think so. One is supposed to place the punctured, (dirty) tyre in the bag provided and then secure it in the boot (not boot well) using the net and already fitted restraining hooks to secure the wheel and tyre. I think that is the idea. Although I have a space saver tyre in the boot well, I would be very careful where I attempted to change the punctured tyre. No way on a motorway or busy road or in inclement weather. I'll just call the Roadside Assistance guys. However if push came to shove I would prefer to use a spacesaver. A replacement aerosol costs around £40 and with my track record on punctures the spacesaver soon pays for itself.

longpig · 15th January 2008, 16:47

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Originally Posted by Greedy

I agree that in certain circumstances it's good to have one - such as yours but for a vast majority of drivers then it's unnecessary and possible lethal. Therefore it should be an option but not fitted as standard. Pay for it if you need it but don't add it to every one's bill. I'm sorry but I'll support big H on this one - you knew when you chose the car. Better the occasional driver pays £100 than we all pay an extra £50.

Allan
Sounds like you boots full but sorry too late, we all have this image now - fishnets, high viz waistcoat, flaging down the man with the flashing thingys....oh yeah, lights.

Up untill latterly every car produced was equipped with a spare wheel. and for a good reason. cost was never an issue. Lord knows the British certainly knew how to produce a 'Basic model' but all came with a spare wheel. nothing to do with the added weight. Green issues IE. emmissions are an issue to be considered but they seem to be the all encompassing get out clause now, but consider the 'Carbon footprint' of the rescue man Flashing lights and all. and multiply it by all the no spare rescues.

Greedy · 15th January 2008, 16:48

Do remember though that they don't last that long them selves (admittedly longer than 2 cans of foam) they have limited tread and slide more due to limited traction so you only get a few uses before they need to be repalced (as recommended by the manufacturer).

And longpig.
Not really with good reaosn if it' used once every 10 year on average. As to the green issues, the manufacturers don't give a hoot about the big picture, carbon foot print. They want 1. Good MPG to sell the car, 2. Low over all emmissions to beat the 'CAFE' regs which govern the emissions of the whole of their sales book - thus allowing them to sell more of the profiable fat cat cars. And flashy man is trundling or sitting with his engine running to keep warm even if you are fourthright enough to change you own spare.

alanwalne · 15th January 2008, 18:30

I never thought of the safety issue of a solid wheel hitting the rear seats if you are rear ended.

May explain why loads of cars have them slung underneath.

Problem is when you come to use it some lowlife has already nicked it and advertised it on ebay (I used to have a Zafira btw).

As stated the changed wheel does not go in the well (flat or pumped up), but in a bag in the body of the boot. If your boot is more than half full you are in trouble.

If you have a bike tyre and assistance will come to you, then they will just fit that and not give you the option of being towed home. The limited range and speed of a space saver could delay you more than relay.

If I cannot fit a full size wheel in, I will stick with nothing (foam will do if my mobile is out of range).

BTW my well has 3 hi viz jackets, compressor and spare bulb kit in.

Dimplyred · 15th January 2008, 18:40

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

The only minor problem is that you either leave enough space in the boot to fit the full size wheel in, or have to leave your expensive alloy wheel at the side of the road

If your boot is constantly so full you couldn't fit your flat tyre and road wheel in then yes a space saver is not for you. If there is room for it most of the time and your boot is rarely so full your road wheel would fit in most of the time, then maybe it is an option.

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

If I cannot fit a full size wheel in, I will stick with nothing (foam will do if my mobile is out of range).

If your tyre is shredded and all you have is a can of foam and your mobile is out of range, enjoy your walk!!!

alanwalne · 15th January 2008, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

If your boot is constantly so full you couldn't fit your flat tyre and road wheel in then yes a space saver is not for you. If there is room for it most of the time and your boot is rarely so full your road wheel would fit in most of the time, then maybe it is an option.

It is more likely that you will have a puncture if it is full owing to extra weight (usually for longer distances at higher speeds so more heat). After seeing a car spin at slow speeds with a space saver on the back just because some one pulled out in front of them on a roundabout no thanks.

If your tyre is shredded and all you have is a can of foam and your mobile is out of range, enjoy your walk!!!

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There are a lot of if there -

I know I shouldn't say that

After Christmas I need the exercise (why I use the excuse of Christmas I needed it before!!!)

Dimplyred · 15th January 2008, 19:38

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

It is more likely that you will have a puncture if it is full owing to extra weight (usually for longer distances at higher speeds so more heat). After seeing a car spin at slow speeds with a space saver on the back just because some one pulled out in front of them on a roundabout no thanks.

There are a lot of if there -

I know I shouldn't say that

After Christmas I need the exercise (why I use the excuse of Christmas I needed it before!!!)

At the end of the day it is down to luck, or lack of it when you get a puncture.

If you drive over a sharp object, chances are it will puncture your tyre, whether it deflates instantly or blows out is due to the severity of the damage, the speed and the fatigue placed on the tyre. And it's condition.

There are a lot of "ifs and maybes", but for me carrying a space saver eliminates being stranded. I am well aware of the capabilities and limitations of a space saver tyre. I was involved in the design and manufacture of them in their early days with Michelin.
In my opinion misuse and ingnorance to their limitations, are what cause accidents. Time after time I see people driving around with them fitted to the front and also the same cars day after day with them still fitted.

People who use them need to fully understand and adhere to their limitations, and then they are quite safe, but if you wouldn't feel safe with one fitted then obviously that's your choice.

alanwalne · 15th January 2008, 20:53

Fair comment, and in retrospect I would feel safer using a space saver in a car with esp (assuming in the software setup testing with a space saver was done).

Unfortunately I do quite a bit of towing, and I would not want the space saver on the back or front in that case. I think Honda assist would say no way to a relay if you had a space saver on board. With a 1200kg caravan on the back I prefer a full size wheel. I am not against spares per say, just mini ones. Horses for courses I suppose.

Dimplyred · 15th January 2008, 20:59

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

Fair comment, and in retrospect I would feel safer using a space saver in a car with esp (assuming in the software setup testing with a space saver was done).

Unfortunately I do quite a bit of towing, and I would not want the space saver on the back or front in that case. I think Honda assist would say no way to a relay if you had a space saver on board. With a 1200kg caravan on the back I prefer a full size wheel. I am not against spares per say, just mini ones. Horses for courses I suppose.

To be honest I did wonder if that was influencing your decision as I noticed you list a towbar in your accessories.

As you say using a space saver with a caravan is not possible and so would be useless in this situation.

Let's hope neither of us ever need to use one.

alanwalne · 15th January 2008, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

To be honest I did wonder if that was influencing your decision as I noticed you list a towbar in your accessories.

As you say using a space saver with a caravan is not possible and so would be useless in this situation.

Let's hope neither of us ever need to use one.

Honda do now state (as an amendment to the handbook) that you can tow with a space saver, rather them than me.

The other advantage with a full size spare is you can reseat the tyre for your first tyre change and save £80.00 or so!!

Dimplyred · 15th January 2008, 21:34

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

Honda do now state (as an amendment to the handbook) that you can tow with a space saver, rather them than me.

The other advantage with a full size spare is you can reseat the tyre for your first tyre change and save £80.00 or so!!

I wouldn't fancy towing with one!!!

alanwalne · 15th January 2008, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Dimplyred

I wouldn't fancy towing with one!!!

I hope you mean a space saver rather than a Civic

I have already had a previous thread degenerate along the lines of 'why put that plastic wart on the back of a lovely Civic??'

Take care

Unlike Mr Clarkson I am very envious of type R drivers, but unfortnately need a bit more torque!!!

Dimplyred · 15th January 2008, 22:06

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Originally Posted by alanwalne

I hope you mean a space saver rather than a Civic

I have already had a previous thread degenerate along the lines of 'why put that plastic wart on the back of a lovely Civic??'

Take care

Unlike Mr Clarkson I am very envious of type R drivers, but unfortnately need a bit more torque!!!

LOL, yes I mean a space saver not a civic

lazytrev · 15th January 2008, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Greedy

Don't have a spare, don't want a spare. Last thing I want is to become a casualty of some sleepy HGV driver (or EU HGV driver watching his DVD / Microwave) when I'm trying to change a wheel on the side of the M4. If the tyre goes flat then I call the man with the flashing lights. Where you keep a spare, I have 2 umbrellas and high viz jackets. Good for all breakdowns not just flats. What a saftey nightmare.

And we're assuming the person changing the wheel is capable of doing it properly. Most of us on here can but you will be amazed at the amount of people who can't/wont. Even the AA / RAC recomend not changing it your self. Also if it's not already then it is soon to be law that they have to reach you with in 30mins af a call being placed if you on a motorway.

As im sure you already know, the motorway isnt the only place you can get a flat, try on your way to scotland, on a B road, with no signal, with a shredded tyre.

And as for those who cant/WONT change a flat then this topic doesnt really apply to them then anyway, but for those of us who can/WILL change a spare, i know id rather have a skinny spacesaver than have to drive with a blowout and ruin a 18" rim just to get signal on my fone to and AA/RAC/ATS etc man to change the tyre.

Im all for a spare, even if its a spacesaver, because you just never know!

longpig · 16th January 2008, 05:42

Where does the CRV fit into the bigger picture? It looks like a dirty big spare wheel slung on the back or latterly underneath!
I dont give a hoot about Hondas targets, Factor it in boys!
A Spare wheel addresses the duty of care to their customers that they have been so fastidious with in most other departments.
Offered as an option most people would choose to opt out on the grounds of economy-----Until they need one!

allan40alt · 16th January 2008, 13:14

Well, mine's all installed. Still room for some bits n bobs around it as well as in the wheel dish.

One good point is that if you find you have a slow puncture and the tyre is flat before you leave home, you can always put on the spare before driving to the local tyre depot.

Doubtingthomas · 16th January 2008, 21:02

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Originally Posted by allan40alt

Well, mine's all installed. Still room for some bits n bobs around it as well as in the wheel dish.

One good point is that if you find you have a slow puncture and the tyre is flat before you leave home, you can always put on the spare before driving to the local tyre depot.

Precisely, this has happened to me twice in eighteen months - always the nearside tyres!

bucketp · 17th January 2008, 17:39

I'm not even going to read this thread cos if I do I will only get a puncture

Greedy · 17th January 2008, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by longpig

Where does the CRV fit into the bigger picture? It looks like a dirty big spare wheel slung on the back or latterly underneath!
I dont give a hoot about Hondas targets, Factor it in boys!
A Spare wheel addresses the duty of care to their customers that they have been so fastidious with in most other departments.
Offered as an option most people would choose to opt out on the grounds of economy-----Until they need one!

CRV - Old as you say on the rear gate, now with an up lifting gate it wont take the weight - and if designed with struts to lift the gate & tyre then would be self openign & lethal with no tyre on. Thus it has gone inside under the floor - which has meant they have changed to a space saver cos there is no way enough room for a 225/65R18.

FWH · 17th January 2008, 19:47

I read somewhere that space saver tyres have a different compound, less prone to drying out with age.

15th January 2008, 16:48	#43 (permalink)
Greedy Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th June 2007 Location: Swindon Posts: 219 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Do remember though that they don't last that long them selves (admittedly longer than 2 cans of foam) they have limited tread and slide more due to limited traction so you only get a few uses before they need to be repalced (as recommended by the manufacturer). And longpig. Not really with good reaosn if it' used once every 10 year on average. As to the green issues, the manufacturers don't give a hoot about the big picture, carbon foot print. They want 1. Good MPG to sell the car, 2. Low over all emmissions to beat the 'CAFE' regs which govern the emissions of the whole of their sales book - thus allowing them to sell more of the profiable fat cat cars. And flashy man is trundling or sitting with his engine running to keep warm even if you are fourthright enough to change you own spare. Last edited by Greedy; 15th January 2008 at 17:04.

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alanwalne Who needs a 4x4?? Rocketship door handle Join Date: 11th June 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 1,370 Thanks: 13 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts iTrader: (0)	I never thought of the safety issue of a solid wheel hitting the rear seats if you are rear ended. May explain why loads of cars have them slung underneath. Problem is when you come to use it some lowlife has already nicked it and advertised it on ebay (I used to have a Zafira btw). As stated the changed wheel does not go in the well (flat or pumped up), but in a bag in the body of the boot. If your boot is more than half full you are in trouble. If you have a bike tyre and assistance will come to you, then they will just fit that and not give you the option of being towed home. The limited range and speed of a space saver could delay you more than relay. If I cannot fit a full size wheel in, I will stick with nothing (foam will do if my mobile is out of range). BTW my well has 3 hi viz jackets, compressor and spare bulb kit in. Last edited by alanwalne; 15th January 2008 at 18:33. Reason: still learning to spell!!

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longpig Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 9th October 2007 Location: south merseyside Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Spare wheel Where does the CRV fit into the bigger picture? It looks like a dirty big spare wheel slung on the back or latterly underneath! I dont give a hoot about Hondas targets, Factor it in boys! A Spare wheel addresses the duty of care to their customers that they have been so fastidious with in most other departments. Offered as an option most people would choose to opt out on the grounds of economy-----Until they need one!


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alanwalne Who needs a 4x4?? Rocketship door handle Join Date: 11th June 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 1,370 Thanks: 13 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts iTrader: (0)	Fair comment, and in retrospect I would feel safer using a space saver in a car with esp (assuming in the software setup testing with a space saver was done). Unfortunately I do quite a bit of towing, and I would not want the space saver on the back or front in that case. I think Honda assist would say no way to a relay if you had a space saver on board. With a 1200kg caravan on the back I prefer a full size wheel. I am not against spares per say, just mini ones. Horses for courses I suppose.

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allan40alt Supporter Civinfo guru Join Date: 6th August 2006 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire. Posts: 2,255 Thanks: 12 Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts iTrader: (0)	Well, mine's all installed. Still room for some bits n bobs around it as well as in the wheel dish. One good point is that if you find you have a slow puncture and the tyre is flat before you leave home, you can always put on the spare before driving to the local tyre depot.

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bucketp Exiled Englishman Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 23rd October 2007 Location: Peebles, Scottish Borders Posts: 389 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I'm not even going to read this thread cos if I do I will only get a puncture

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FWH Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 6,013 Thanks: 14 Thanked 67 Times in 62 Posts iTrader: (0)	I read somewhere that space saver tyres have a different compound, less prone to drying out with age.