Other Replacing the Sub frame due to clicking

petecivic · 14th April 2008, 12:05

Hi there,

I was wondering with ref to this wiki

Front end knock/tap when brake/accelerate/turn - Civinfo Wiki

How much work would be envolved in replacing the sub frame, ie what parts will they have to remove, will it effect the tracking etc.

I have the small metal click sound but am wondering if it is worth having it done?

Any help would be most appreciated!

FWH · 14th April 2008, 18:42

It should be done under warranty by the dealer.

pcr · 14th April 2008, 19:18

petecivic,
A small metal click sound as you describe it could come from almost anywhere, why would you think it was the subframe? Dealers have things called chassis ears which they can use to locate the source of a sound. Trouble is, I think it's a time consuming job so they are probably reluctant to do a thorough diagnosis.

civicfan · 14th April 2008, 20:48

Maybe I'm already paranoid but check your windscreen cowl before you rip out the subframe

petecivic · 14th April 2008, 22:56

Yeah i have done the windscreen tape 'mod' and its a new click that i can feel thru my feet when changing directions ie stop then reverse. its coming from the drivers side wheel/ feet area and i can hear it louder with the window down.

I have found that the problem (according to the wiki) is the sub frame bushes. i was hoping that because my problem sounds exactly the same as others on here i would be able to get a heads up on the soloutions etc.

I would really like to know if they could just replace the bushes, and leave the sub frame alone.....

thanks again any comments def most welcome....

Russell 10 · 15th April 2008, 03:13

HI petecivic, I have booked my car into the dealers for exactly the same clicking problem. It's booked for Thursday and Friday of this week. I will let you know what the dealer finds.

petecivic · 15th April 2008, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell 10

HI petecivic, I have booked my car into the dealers for exactly the same clicking problem. It's booked for Thursday and Friday of this week. I will let you know what the dealer finds.

Thats spot on dude thanks! Good luck with yours !!

g_bak · 15th April 2008, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by petecivic

I would really like to know if they could just replace the bushes, and leave the sub frame alone.....

thanks again any comments def most welcome....

Usually the bushes come with the front LCAs and not the subframe. I'd suggest to leave the subframe alone because it is a really heavy intervention. I'm not sure, but I beliene the steering rack is mounted on it...

If the technicians find out that the problem comes from the bushings, these will come either alone or with the LCA. The question is whether the bushes replacement will change the clicking noise. The new ones should be of a improved material, I guess, or else the noise will reappear.

petecivic · 15th April 2008, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by g_bak

Usually the bushes come with the front LCAs and not the subframe. I'd suggest to leave the subframe alone because it is a really heavy intervention. I'm not sure, but I beliene the steering rack is mounted on it...

If the technicians find out that the problem comes from the bushings, these will come either alone or with the LCA. The question is whether the bushes replacement will change the clicking noise. The new ones should be of a improved material, I guess, or else the noise will reappear.

Cool info there, only one problem what is an LCA?

g_bak · 16th April 2008, 06:33

= Lower Control Arm. I'll post some pics later.

Jeroen1000 · 16th April 2008, 07:19

I also would like to know what work is involved, what parts they remove etc... Not that I have this particular problem, it's just out of general interest

. I thought the subframe supported the entire engine?

illegalhunter · 16th April 2008, 08:40

I get the same sorta noise when leaving the driveway

g_bak · 16th April 2008, 18:27

These pics are from EPC.

The first one is the subframe and the second is the front knuckle and control arm.

As I can see, one bushing is attached to a part of the subframe and the other one is to the control arm. Judging from my experience on a previous civic, these bushes are not sold as separate, because their outer metal shell are pressed tight to the relevant suspension piece.

The encouraging thing is that the subframe is separated to 3 pieces and probably there is not any need to dismantle half of your car to change the bushing (if needed).

Overall, I have a lot of doubts that by changing the bushings, you'll get your problem fixed. These bushings are not expendable and their lifetime is not short. I'd suggest to tighten all of the subframe bolts and lubricate the subframe bushes and see how it will evolve.

Russell 10 · 18th April 2008, 18:12

Hi petecivic, just to let you know the clicking noise has been resolved. The mechanic found a loose bolt underneath the car. The bolt goes through the cross member and into the front sub frame. It is located just left of the drivers feet. No parts were needed.

lloeki · 18th April 2008, 18:33

same kind of fix as for me then. two screws on the lower arm scrubbing on the subframe were swapped. noise instantly disappeared.

petecivic · 19th April 2008, 21:03

this is excellent news guys i hope that the honda man can find it and fix it for me on monday! Its going in for 4 days to have

1)Rust on doors fixed
2)Handbrake mod (type-r)
3)Door handle lock mod (or something)
4)Front end knocking looked at.

Hoping for a good outcome, will let you all know!

elisgriffiths · 20th April 2008, 23:00

Had mine done under warranty... click gone hooray (back to blast off starts!)

lloeki · 30th April 2008, 20:13

Fix+1000km. Noise is progressively coming back....

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pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	petecivic, A small metal click sound as you describe it could come from almost anywhere, why would you think it was the subframe? Dealers have things called chassis ears which they can use to locate the source of a sound. Trouble is, I think it's a time consuming job so they are probably reluctant to do a thorough diagnosis.

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civicfan Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th September 2007 Posts: 757 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Maybe I'm already paranoid but check your windscreen cowl before you rip out the subframe

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petecivic Wheelnut Join Date: 26th October 2006 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yeah i have done the windscreen tape 'mod' and its a new click that i can feel thru my feet when changing directions ie stop then reverse. its coming from the drivers side wheel/ feet area and i can hear it louder with the window down. I have found that the problem (according to the wiki) is the sub frame bushes. i was hoping that because my problem sounds exactly the same as others on here i would be able to get a heads up on the soloutions etc. I would really like to know if they could just replace the bushes, and leave the sub frame alone..... thanks again any comments def most welcome....

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Russell 10 Wheelnut Join Date: 24th December 2006 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	HI petecivic, I have booked my car into the dealers for exactly the same clicking problem. It's booked for Thursday and Friday of this week. I will let you know what the dealer finds.

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g_bak Wheelnut Join Date: 30th July 2007 Location: Athens,GR Posts: 92 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	= Lower Control Arm. I'll post some pics later.

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Russell 10 Wheelnut Join Date: 24th December 2006 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Hi petecivic, just to let you know the clicking noise has been resolved. The mechanic found a loose bolt underneath the car. The bolt goes through the cross member and into the front sub frame. It is located just left of the drivers feet. No parts were needed.

18th April 2008, 18:33	#15 (permalink)
lloeki Wheelnut Join Date: 17th September 2007 Location: France Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	same kind of fix as for me then. two screws on the lower arm scrubbing on the subframe were swapped. noise instantly disappeared.

19th April 2008, 21:03	#16 (permalink)
petecivic Wheelnut Join Date: 26th October 2006 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	this is excellent news guys i hope that the honda man can find it and fix it for me on monday! Its going in for 4 days to have 1)Rust on doors fixed 2)Handbrake mod (type-r) 3)Door handle lock mod (or something) 4)Front end knocking looked at. Hoping for a good outcome, will let you all know!

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elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Had mine done under warranty... click gone hooray (back to blast off starts!)

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lloeki Wheelnut Join Date: 17th September 2007 Location: France Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Fix+1000km. Noise is progressively coming back....