Tyre Other Yippieee! Summer tyres back on..

FWH · 15th April 2008, 17:10

So happy - this is the way the car is supposed to handle.

GHGH · 16th April 2008, 13:01

Congratulations!
I'm going far up a valley saturday night playing a concert, returning very late. I possibly hit Ice on my way back, so I've postphoned the metamorphosis until next week.

Dimplyred · 16th April 2008, 13:04

Have you got your summer and winter tyres on the same style of rims. I take it you have two sets and don't just swap the tyres over each time.

GHGH · 16th April 2008, 13:15

Got eight wheels (and no spacesaver!)

Winter: Conti studless 205/55-16
Summer: Michelin primacy 225/45-75

Big difference! Back to the lovely go cart feeling (and living hell over rail tracks and cobblestone...)

FWH · 16th April 2008, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimplyred

Have you got your summer and winter tyres on the same style of rims. I take it you have two sets and don't just swap the tyres over each time.

Different rims.
Winter ones with special coating to (supposedly) protect against salt.

Same dimensions as GHGH.

cp794 · 16th April 2008, 14:36

Got mine back on yesterday aswell, the car feels totally different, and it is great to get back on it again.

GHGH · 16th April 2008, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

Different rims.
Winter ones with special coating to (supposedly) protect against salt.

Same dimensions as GHGH.

Only I have stock Honda 16". We'll see how long they last...

Munro · 16th April 2008, 21:32

Hopefully my summer tyres are going to grip a bit better now the temperature is more than 7 deg C

GHGH · 16th April 2008, 21:57

Tonight it's just perfect for my winter tyres....

morten · 18th April 2008, 07:33

Woohoo! I'm back on wider rubber too! Although the car handles waaay better and is much more fun to drive, I also found out I had forgotten about two things when driving with soft wintertyres for 5-6 months; the 225/45 Michelins are NOISY... And the stability of the car is quite bad on norwegians roads that are worn down badly due to all the driving with spiked tyres. It's like relearning how to drive the car...

GHGH · 18th April 2008, 07:45

Yes, 225 is a bit wide for worn roads, but I suspect a difference between tyre makes - roundness of edge and so on.
I have considered 205/50-17 next time - but they are expensive (old Porche dimension

).

morten · 18th April 2008, 08:11

I have also considered something narrower. Maybe using the 16" rims with 205/55 summertyres. And 195/65-15" for winter...! May look weird, but the extra "suspension" on uneven, icy winterroads may be worth it.

A question GHGH; can you use the original 17" Honda rims with 205/50?

GHGH · 18th April 2008, 08:26

Last first: Yes. The stock rims (7x17) actually are on the narrow side for 225/45 tyres (causing more tyre side curving, making tyres flexing better, which imo is a good thing regarding the already hard ride). So, the rims are well suited for 205/50, and the circumference is almost equal.

Well, 195/65-15" winter wheels are over the top, even for me

, but I can understand people choosing them.
For summer, my wet (and expensive) dream is 205/55 on 7x16 Ultraleggera (or some other high quality lightweight alloy). Would save me 30% wheel weight, enhancing steering and road feel.

illegalhunter · 18th April 2008, 08:36

Thats "GLOBAL WARMING " summer tyres in Sweden ,& no summer over here yet LOL

GHGH · 18th April 2008, 08:39

We have 3°C warmer winters, and all we've achieved so far is a lot of freezing/thawing cycles during winter and more of both ice and road salt!
I'm waiting......

morten · 18th April 2008, 09:13

Thanks for the input GHGH!

As far as global warming goes - haven't noticed much of that here either. Never seen so much snow in many, many years in eastern Norway.

Another reason for me considering 195/65 instead og 205/55 besides making the ride a bit softer - aquaplaning in water, slush and even snow... Going from 175/65 on my old Opel Vectra was bit of a shock actually!

Thank God the Civic has the VSA... It has saved my ass at least two times this winter

hurricane · 3rd June 2008, 10:27

I don't think many of the Brits understand the difference with summer/winter tyres of Scandinavian countries.

So, just to clarify: summer tyres are basically "normal tyres". Winter tyres are special, and come in 2 types: studded (similar to spikes), and "friction" a special compound tyre to provide grip in winter conditions. Studded are better for roads where there is mostly ice (and believe me it can be a very thick layer of ice), and friction tyres are better for snow. In Finland, people tend to go for studded in the south, and friction in the north. I know many here in the south that like friction tyres though.

It is compulsory (at least here in Finland) to run winter tyres in the winter months, usually from October/November to April, but also depending on road conditions.
Anyway, "normal" tyres would just not have any grip whatsoever in the winter conditions, it would be suicide to drive with them!

GHGH · 3rd June 2008, 11:41

To clarify (or confuse) even more, the friction type winter tyres comes in two types:
- very soft rubber "nordic type" sold mainly in scandinavia and japan (i believe), and
- harder rubber compound "continential type".

The "nordic type" also has some effect on icy roads, and not only snow. Here in Trondheim close to 70% of private cars roll on these, the rest having studded tyres (which is taxed!). I'm using these, and they've served me well, except for one severe incident march 1999 when I ended up rolling off the road by several meters

.
The soft rubber render these tyres outright dangerous on tarmac summertime (my opinion), where the "continental type" serves well (below 7°C better than summer tyres I recall reading on this forum).

jalaman · 3rd June 2008, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by morten

Woohoo! I'm back on wider rubber too! Although the car handles waaay better and is much more fun to drive, I also found out I had forgotten about two things when driving with soft wintertyres for 5-6 months; the 225/45 Michelins are NOISY... And the stability of the car is quite bad on norwegians roads that are worn down badly due to all the driving with spiked tyres. It's like relearning how to drive the car...

Me too. When I put on my 225/45R17 this summer, I thought there was something wrong with my steering alignment, constantly tramlining and having to correct when going straight. I miss my soft and silent 225/45R17 winter tyres, so I'll replace the Michelins this summer, can't take the noise anymore on the rough norwegian tarmac.

Looks like people on this forum has had success with the Continental PremiumContact2 when it comes to noise levels

GHGH · 3rd June 2008, 12:47

Had to realign the suspension last month. Seems like the car is rather particular about this on 17".
I've also heard that CSC3 is good against tramlining.

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Congratulations! I'm going far up a valley saturday night playing a concert, returning very late. I possibly hit Ice on my way back, so I've postphoned the metamorphosis until next week.

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Dimplyred Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th August 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 3,879 Thanks: 17 Thanked 81 Times in 80 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have you got your summer and winter tyres on the same style of rims. I take it you have two sets and don't just swap the tyres over each time.

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GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Got eight wheels (and no spacesaver!) Winter: Conti studless 205/55-16 Summer: Michelin primacy 225/45-75 Big difference! Back to the lovely go cart feeling (and living hell over rail tracks and cobblestone...)

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morten Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 9th March 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Woohoo! I'm back on wider rubber too! Although the car handles waaay better and is much more fun to drive, I also found out I had forgotten about two things when driving with soft wintertyres for 5-6 months; the 225/45 Michelins are NOISY... And the stability of the car is quite bad on norwegians roads that are worn down badly due to all the driving with spiked tyres. It's like relearning how to drive the car...

18th April 2008, 07:45	#11 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes, 225 is a bit wide for worn roads, but I suspect a difference between tyre makes - roundness of edge and so on. I have considered 205/50-17 next time - but they are expensive (old Porche dimension ).

18th April 2008, 08:11	#12 (permalink)
morten Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 9th March 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	I have also considered something narrower. Maybe using the 16" rims with 205/55 summertyres. And 195/65-15" for winter...! May look weird, but the extra "suspension" on uneven, icy winterroads may be worth it. A question GHGH; can you use the original 17" Honda rims with 205/50?

18th April 2008, 08:26	#13 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Last first: Yes. The stock rims (7x17) actually are on the narrow side for 225/45 tyres (causing more tyre side curving, making tyres flexing better, which imo is a good thing regarding the already hard ride). So, the rims are well suited for 205/50, and the circumference is almost equal. Well, 195/65-15" winter wheels are over the top, even for me , but I can understand people choosing them. For summer, my wet (and expensive) dream is 205/55 on 7x16 Ultraleggera (or some other high quality lightweight alloy). Would save me 30% wheel weight, enhancing steering and road feel.

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illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,581 Thanks: 4 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thats "GLOBAL WARMING " summer tyres in Sweden ,& no summer over here yet LOL

18th April 2008, 08:39	#15 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	We have 3°C warmer winters, and all we've achieved so far is a lot of freezing/thawing cycles during winter and more of both ice and road salt! I'm waiting......

18th April 2008, 09:13	#16 (permalink)
morten Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 9th March 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the input GHGH! As far as global warming goes - haven't noticed much of that here either. Never seen so much snow in many, many years in eastern Norway. Another reason for me considering 195/65 instead og 205/55 besides making the ride a bit softer - aquaplaning in water, slush and even snow... Going from 175/65 on my old Opel Vectra was bit of a shock actually! Thank God the Civic has the VSA... It has saved my ass at least two times this winter

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hurricane Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 22nd May 2008 Location: Kymenlaakso, Finland Posts: 210 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	I don't think many of the Brits understand the difference with summer/winter tyres of Scandinavian countries. So, just to clarify: summer tyres are basically "normal tyres". Winter tyres are special, and come in 2 types: studded (similar to spikes), and "friction" a special compound tyre to provide grip in winter conditions. Studded are better for roads where there is mostly ice (and believe me it can be a very thick layer of ice), and friction tyres are better for snow. In Finland, people tend to go for studded in the south, and friction in the north. I know many here in the south that like friction tyres though. It is compulsory (at least here in Finland) to run winter tyres in the winter months, usually from October/November to April, but also depending on road conditions. Anyway, "normal" tyres would just not have any grip whatsoever in the winter conditions, it would be suicide to drive with them!

3rd June 2008, 11:41	#18 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	To clarify (or confuse) even more, the friction type winter tyres comes in two types: - very soft rubber "nordic type" sold mainly in scandinavia and japan (i believe), and - harder rubber compound "continential type". The "nordic type" also has some effect on icy roads, and not only snow. Here in Trondheim close to 70% of private cars roll on these, the rest having studded tyres (which is taxed!). I'm using these, and they've served me well, except for one severe incident march 1999 when I ended up rolling off the road by several meters . The soft rubber render these tyres outright dangerous on tarmac summertime (my opinion), where the "continental type" serves well (below 7°C better than summer tyres I recall reading on this forum).

3rd June 2008, 12:47	#20 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 943 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Had to realign the suspension last month. Seems like the car is rather particular about this on 17". I've also heard that CSC3 is good against tramlining.