Brakes Brake dust on rear wheels

jki16 · 9th July 2008, 10:45

Hi all

Having now completed 2000 miles in my EX and after a few cleans, I have noticed that is is much more difficult to removed the brake dust from the rear wheel. The fronts wheels just wife clean but the dust is really sticking to the rear wheels. I am guessing that this is due to a different pad material on the rear brakes.

Has anyone else come across this?

Dimplyred · 9th July 2008, 10:50

Yes we all suffer from it. Have a read here. Brake dust

jki16 · 9th July 2008, 10:54

Nice one thanks, I am overall very impressed with the car, but the brake dust, chips, rattles and difficult to close tailgate are a let down

Munro · 9th July 2008, 17:10

Its due to the VSA being over sensitive and applying the rear brakes when it doesn't need to. Honda should reprogramme the VSA, but everybody seems to be just putting up with it at the moment.

Maybe we should all be petitioning Honda to do something, like with the stone chips ?

The rear wheel brake dust is very corrosive, so it is well worth cleaning your wheels regularly and protecting them with something like Poorboys wheel sealant.

REVIT · 11th July 2008, 11:11

That explains why I have just had to have the rear pads changed at only 26k apparently they were 90% worn!

R GT · 11th July 2008, 11:37

Change the rear pads to EBC green stuff and the wheel dust is gone and they only need a quick wipe over when you wash the car.

x Dr Vodka x · 11th July 2008, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by R GT

Change the rear pads to EBC green stuff and the wheel dust is gone and they only need a quick wipe over when you wash the car.

Yeh but you will be going through disks super quick

R GT · 11th July 2008, 12:34

EBC has been taken over by another company which have chaged the composition of the pads to make them disk friendly. they have to be compared to oem pads for wear etc to be saleable.

illegalhunter · 11th July 2008, 12:37

It drives me crazy

Robbieee · 11th July 2008, 12:53

Thats the one thing that lets my car down is the state of the alloys due to brake dust. I washed on sat and by monday there is brakedust all over. The car its self is gleaming, just the wheels not!! Poorboys just makes it easier to clean off. I Just give up!!

Pottsy · 11th July 2008, 13:12

Hmmmm: Premature wear of rear brake pads - Civinfo Wiki

Rich 11 · 11th July 2008, 13:43

Me too , the cars only covered 1100 miles. On current and previous cars I have never known this. Usally this happens on the front wheels. I have now coated my alloys with Rim Wax and this has certainly helped.

A & M Wolff · 11th July 2008, 14:06

hmm.. maybe thats why the dealer told me to drive with then vsa switched off..

I have also noticed the huge amount of brakedust.. but I think it is both front and rear wheels that sufferes the problem..

I´m just giving them a good clean every now and then..

its almost time to switch tyres between front/rear so when the wheels are off i will give them a good wash and polish.. and maybe get the tiny scratch fixed on the right front alloy..

Pottsy · 11th July 2008, 14:06

Rich11,

Did you have a look at that link on post #11? How does you handbrake feel? Is there any slack? Can you jack the car up evenly at the back and check for binding?

Pottsy · 11th July 2008, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by A & M Wolff

hmm.. maybe thats why the dealer told me to drive with then vsa switched off..

The current thinking is that it's not the vsa, it's the handbrake.

Rich 11 · 11th July 2008, 14:16

Hi Pottsy, just had a quick look and it feels like there is no slack whatsover but not 100% sure . If you have time tommorow maybe you could have a quick look plz

x Dr Vodka x · 11th July 2008, 14:23

oooohh oooooh, mine too pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese

x Dr Vodka x · 11th July 2008, 14:27

Are we sure its not just because the brake guards are so close to the disks that the dust has nowhere to go but flow out towards the wheel ?

Pottsy · 11th July 2008, 14:32

I am told that the excessive rear brake pad wear (sometimes shown up by excessive rear wheel dust) is due to the possible over tightening of the handbrake cable. Which kind of makes sense.

We can certainly have a look to see if we can see anything obvious, but then again it may not be obvious, nor indeed the cause.

REVIT · 11th July 2008, 14:35

Easy check, jack up the rear wheels and spin em! If there is rubbing you should hear/see it.

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Dimplyred Type R GT 09570 Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th August 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 3,483 Thanks: 17 Thanked 53 Times in 53 Posts	Yes we all suffer from it. Have a read here. Brake dust

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jki16 Valve Cap Join Date: 4th May 2008 Location: Leicester UK Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice one thanks, I am overall very impressed with the car, but the brake dust, chips, rattles and difficult to close tailgate are a let down

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Munro Supporter Rocketship door handle Join Date: 10th August 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,064 Thanks: 24 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Its due to the VSA being over sensitive and applying the rear brakes when it doesn't need to. Honda should reprogramme the VSA, but everybody seems to be just putting up with it at the moment. Maybe we should all be petitioning Honda to do something, like with the stone chips ? The rear wheel brake dust is very corrosive, so it is well worth cleaning your wheels regularly and protecting them with something like Poorboys wheel sealant.

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REVIT Valve Cap Join Date: 12th January 2007 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That explains why I have just had to have the rear pads changed at only 26k apparently they were 90% worn!

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R GT Type R 11239 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 17th December 2007 Location: s yorks, uk Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Change the rear pads to EBC green stuff and the wheel dust is gone and they only need a quick wipe over when you wash the car.

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R GT Type R 11239 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 17th December 2007 Location: s yorks, uk Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	EBC has been taken over by another company which have chaged the composition of the pads to make them disk friendly. they have to be compared to oem pads for wear etc to be saleable.

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illegalhunter HACKIN & SLAYIN Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th May 2007 Location: In the woods armed to the teeth Posts: 2,411 Thanks: 4 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	It drives me crazy

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Robbieee The Talented Mr. Robbieee Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 27th September 2007 Location: Glasvegas Posts: 804 Thanks: 30 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Thats the one thing that lets my car down is the state of the alloys due to brake dust. I washed on sat and by monday there is brakedust all over. The car its self is gleaming, just the wheels not!! Poorboys just makes it easier to clean off. I Just give up!!

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,976 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90 Times in 49 Posts	Hmmmm: Premature wear of rear brake pads - Civinfo Wiki

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Rich 11 TYPE R GT (R-15016) Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 11th May 2008 Location: Hull East Yorkshire Posts: 913 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	Me too , the cars only covered 1100 miles. On current and previous cars I have never known this. Usally this happens on the front wheels. I have now coated my alloys with Rim Wax and this has certainly helped.

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A & M Wolff Valve Cap Join Date: 6th April 2008 Location: Copenhagen, DK Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmm.. maybe thats why the dealer told me to drive with then vsa switched off.. I have also noticed the huge amount of brakedust.. but I think it is both front and rear wheels that sufferes the problem.. I´m just giving them a good clean every now and then.. its almost time to switch tyres between front/rear so when the wheels are off i will give them a good wash and polish.. and maybe get the tiny scratch fixed on the right front alloy..

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,976 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90 Times in 49 Posts	Rich11, Did you have a look at that link on post #11? How does you handbrake feel? Is there any slack? Can you jack the car up evenly at the back and check for binding?

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Rich 11 TYPE R GT (R-15016) Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 11th May 2008 Location: Hull East Yorkshire Posts: 913 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	Hi Pottsy, just had a quick look and it feels like there is no slack whatsover but not 100% sure . If you have time tommorow maybe you could have a quick look plz

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x Dr Vodka x Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 12th May 2008 Location: Wigan Posts: 294 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Are we sure its not just because the brake guards are so close to the disks that the dust has nowhere to go but flow out towards the wheel ?

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,976 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90 Times in 49 Posts	I am told that the excessive rear brake pad wear (sometimes shown up by excessive rear wheel dust) is due to the possible over tightening of the handbrake cable. Which kind of makes sense. We can certainly have a look to see if we can see anything obvious, but then again it may not be obvious, nor indeed the cause.

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REVIT Valve Cap Join Date: 12th January 2007 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Easy check, jack up the rear wheels and spin em! If there is rubbing you should hear/see it.