Tyre Choice Best tyre brand for the Civ? (split topic) - Page 2

Toonman · 13th October 2006, 18:55

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You mean as I don't agree with you, I must be wrong...?

Whatever your reasons for disliking Bridgestones, you should accept the fact many rate them very highly. Please don't try and belittle me as I don't agree with you.

Possibly you've tried them on a car they didn't suit? Possibly you've tried a set that aren't so good? I've no idea and to be honest, care even less. I had RE040s on my 4th WRX PPP and replaced them with F1 GSD3s (another excellent tyre on a Subaru) as soon as I could. My 6th WRX PPP had the later RE050s, which were a massive improvement. As said before, the RE070 are in a different league.

I could also rant on about Pirelli/Michelins/Uniroyals etc that didn't suit cars I've owned in the past, others that have been perfect and some that have been just okay. Different tyres, different cars. To say that all tyres from one major manufacturer are, "pants" is silly...

I have no axe to grind with any manufacturer; I'll buy any tyres that work well. When I competed in the European Rally Championship in the late '70s to mid '80s, I was lucky enough to have a sponsorship deal with Kleber and used their hand cut tarmac tyres. For the rough stuff, I used Pirelli P7 M&S. I got no deal from Pirelli but they suited both my driving style and the cars (Opel Ascona/Lotus Sunbeam/205GTi). They were preferable to the Kleber offerings.

Oh, and please don't dredge up posts from the likes of Scoobynet and proffer them as statements of authority. I've been a member for many years and know what utter rubbish gets submitted there.

Bungle · 13th October 2006, 19:12

I had Avon ZZ3s fitted to the from of my old Civic, and they were good. Didn't have them long before I traded the car in, though.

I have Bridgestone Turanzas on my current Civic ES, which seem OK to me. I have to be pushing them some to exceed their limit, which is not something I make a habbit of.

I find myself asking what the point is of trying to find the best possible tyre/car combi, when on the public road, you never get a chance to push the car? If you regularly went on track days, then I could understand...

With normal, safe driving on the road, who is going to be able to make use of the difference between an 'average' as opposed to an 'good' tyre performance wise? Comfort and noise is another subjects, which has not been discussed here yet in any detail.

Toonman · 13th October 2006, 21:09

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Comfort and noise is another subjects, which has not been discussed here yet in any detail.

Good point Bungle. I've got Michelins on both Hondas and the Accord Tourer certainly produces less road noise than the Civic. Ride on 16" rims is naturally better than the 18" of the smaller car, but I've certainly no problems with comfort in either. Both very civilised!

terry · 13th October 2006, 23:40

etyres I think is the company that comes to you to fit new tyres, which is useful, but I didn't find them to be the cheapest.
In my area (South Cambridgeshire) the cheapest place is Saxon Gate Motorist Centre in Biggleswade (01767314011 ).
It is not the smartest or biggest of places, but they sell and fit a hell of a lot of tyres by having low prices, they have all the major brand as well as budget tyres. I have found it best to book a pair of tyres to make sure they had them in stock before risking driving there to find them out of stock, although they can get deliveries of tyres quite quickly.
Last time I was there I asked why they were so cheap, the answer was they buy so many. In fact the chap said Michelin had tried to stop supplying them as they were undercutting too much, but had backed off because the numbers sold by them was so high!
Cheers

Terry

ads · 15th October 2006, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Toonman

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You mean as I don't agree with you, I must be wrong...?

Not at all Toonman!!

As has been said before, Tyres are really a personal choice and a lot of that comes down to how people drive and what they use their cars for!

All i'm saying is that more people dislike Bridgestones than like them! If you get on with them then fine, it doesn't matter what I or anybody else think!

Lets just agree to disagree on this one!!

No hard feelings mate.

CivPilot · 17th October 2006, 10:03

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Originally Posted by ads

Not at all Toonman!!

As has been said before, Tyres are really a personal choice and a lot of that comes down to how people drive and what they use their cars for!

All i'm saying is that more people dislike Bridgestones than like them! If you get on with them then fine, it doesn't matter what I or anybody else think!

Lets just agree to disagree on this one!!

No hard feelings mate.

Can you provide your source for the claim I have highlighted please? I havent met anyone who proclaims their Bridgestones to be pants. Interested in what poll you got the info from. Or is it your opinion based on rumour? Hard figures please or maybe you should withdraw the claim.

and as for your claim that :-

1) Goodyear Eagle F1's - £99 each. Some people profess that these are as good if not better than the Michelins.

The Eagle F1's are actually far superior to Michelin Pilot Sports (which themselves are good tyres). I've had both types of tyres fitted to cars in the past and I actually moved from F1's to try Pilot sports. As it turned out the F1's were comfier, quieter, lasted longer, had superior dry weather grip and FAR superior wet weather grip. Needless to say I changed back first chance I got. My Civic came as standard on Pilot Sports and these will be changed to F1's as soon as required (Pilots are good enough to keep until they need changing). In fact I didnt see a single Civic fitted with Bridgestones in my local dealership. Where do you get your information?

Your statement that "Michelin tyres are by far the best" is your opinion and your entitled to it, but your arguement with Toonman does kinda smack of you trying to shout him down just because he disagrees. I also disagree.

I have had experience of Pilot Sports, Eagle F1's AND Bridgestone's and I wouldnt call any of them rubbish or pants. The Eagle F1's however stand head and shoulders above the other 2 in terms of performance (and looks

). My choice there is based on actual experience using said tyres, not on what others say.

oh, and I have never seen the Pilot sport beat an Eagle F1 in a group tyre test in any magazine either, so I guess its not just me who thinks that. (The Eagle F1 always wins the evo group tests, and no, they dont get sponsored)

Everyone should remember that any "budget decision" on tyre choices is a stupid thing to do really. Why do you want to skimp on the only point of contact you have with the road? You should always aim for the best possible tyre you can find, then find the cheapest price for that tyre. My opinion is that Eagle F1's cant be beaten. Pilot Sports are very good yes, but in my extensive experience Eagle's are superior.

ps. Toyo's are also very good and are on the tyre option list for TVR (I think they are standard on the Tuscan S)

Pottsy · 17th October 2006, 11:25

Civpilot, maybe he's come to the opinion that more dislike Bridgestones than like them, after some time on car forums...

In my experience, I have found Bridgestones to be a poor cousin to F1 GDS3's (but then early F1's were awful). MPS, Sportcontacts and P Zeros have all fallen short of the GSD3's, but all in different ways.

Interestingly, here's a review of some run-flats, putting Bridgestones on top:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...tyre_test.html

Keep it calm please, lads.

allan40alt · 17th October 2006, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

Civpilot, maybe he's come to the opinion that more dislike Bridgestones than like them, after some time on car forums...

In my experience, I have found Bridgestones to be a poor cousin to F1 GDS3's (but then early F1's were awful). MPS, Sportcontacts and P Zeros have all fallen short of the GSD3's, but all in different ways.

Interestingly, here's a review of some run-flats, putting Bridgestones on top:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...tyre_test.html

Keep it calm please, lads.

In the earlier standard tyre test by Auto Express the Bridgestone came 4th overall. The Michelin came almost last; but they did say that the Michelin Pilot Primacy is due for replacement soon. Might this also apply to the run-flat?

CivPilot · 17th October 2006, 11:45

Pottsy,
I'm nice a calm

. The claim that more people dislike Bridgestone’s however was very onerous. It's a pretty sweeping statement that I think should really be clarified. I too spend time on other forums (Pistonheads for one, which is I think the biggest motoring forum on the web with 40K+ registered users) and I have yet to see any figures to say Bridgestone’s are largely disliked? That’s why I asked for the source. I would be genuinely interested in reading said info.

I've had some Bridgestone’s on an old car (RE71's if I remember correctly, long time ago) and they were stonkingly good tyres. Lasted for absolutely ages. Genuinely not had any info on their absolutely latest top tyre, that’s why I'm interested in the above information. If there is no source then the statement should be started or followed with the words "in my opinion". Lets remember, the internet is an impressionable thing on some people and such sweeping statements could come back to haunt.

However, It seems we actually agree on F1's which in my opinion/experience are by far the best tyres I have ever had fitted to any car I have owned. Others I know will not fit anything but F1's (right up to the point of having the dealer fit some before delivery in some extreme cases). I think F1's are the best all round tyre there is in dry conditions with only very few tyres that can match them, and even then they match in only a few areas, but F1 wet weather performance is absolutely second to none.

Having driven a car with run flats fitted as replacement tyres personally I think they are terrible. They had a horrible ride and were not too progressive on the limit. However, I'm sure a car with a chassis designed to be fitted with run flats would be a better option, I wouldn’t however fit them to a Civic.

Pottsy · 17th October 2006, 12:17

Yes, the F1s are, in my opinion, very good. I had RE040's on the 350Z and they had good dry grip, were a bit snatchy and had no wet grip at all. F1's were excellent wet and dry, were progressive and were quiet too (important in the Z). F1's also fixed the problem of my Audi falling down the camber, so based on my experience, they are lined up to replace the MPS on the Civ.

karlak · 17th October 2006, 12:38

At the end of the day - buy the tyres you like.

CivPilot · 17th October 2006, 13:09

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Originally Posted by karlak

At the end of the day - buy the tyres you like.

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You are correct, you buy the tyres you like. But form your opinion based on facts and speaking to people who have used the tyres you fancy buying.

In My opinion (and personal experience):-
Pilot sports are Very good
Bridgestones are also good
Eagle F1's are far better
Peace out

.

Glass Spider · 17th October 2006, 13:20

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Originally Posted by CivPilot

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It was good reading whilst it was there though

karlak · 17th October 2006, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Glass Spider

It was good reading whilst it was there though

Now I'm curious ?

CivPilot · 17th October 2006, 13:36

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Originally Posted by karlak

Now I'm curious ?

Nothing negative or disrespectfull to yourself Karlak (Or any individual for that matter)

. I just fully justified the reasons for my comment that you quoted in your original unedited reply. Worded the exact reasons and justifications etc. Cant remember the exact wording but I can give you a fair approximation via PM if you so wish.

karlak · 17th October 2006, 13:42

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Originally Posted by CivPilot

Nothing negative or disrespectfull to yourself Karlak (Or any individual for that matter)

. I just fully justified the reasons for my comment that you quoted in your original unedited reply. Worded the exact reasons and justifications etc. Cant remember the exact wording but I can give you a fair approximation via PM if you so wish.

Seems fair enough to me; live long and prosper

Bungle · 17th October 2006, 13:42

Personally, I will not bother with this 'best tyre' nonsense, and just get my back alley fitter to shove on some £20 remoulded jobbies. They'll be fine!

Seriously, My Civic came fitted with Bridgestones, as did a number of new cars sitting in their compund. I don't know if batches come out with different tyres on or what....

Copycat · 18th October 2006, 07:53

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Originally Posted by karlak

Seems fair enough to me; live long and prosper

Still can't see the logic behind Honda putting different tyres on same spec Civics. And even on the same size wheels.

Michelin pilot sports and premacies, at least. Are they just randomly taken out of a container full of tyres?

CivPilot · 18th October 2006, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Copycat

Still can't see the logic behind Honda putting different tyres on same spec Civics. And even on the same size wheels.

Michelin pilot sports and premacies, at least. Are they just randomly taken out of a container full of tyres?

Basically Honda will have tested the Civic with various makes of tyres and selected a broad range of possible fitments picking tyres which have similar grip/noise/handling properties. It is actually quite an exhaustive process and alot of the on road disguised testing would have been for this purpose (among many).

Once the shortlist had been drawn up and the "Winners" selected (Tyre manufactures do actually que up to apply thier tyres to new cars) Honda would have made the deal with several brands for factory supply. When the cars are being built at the factory as the tyres selected all fit into the same basic performance window and are "approved" for the car if doesnt actually matter which ones they fit as long as it is a matched set. That is why you will often get the identical spec car with different brand tyres to the next identical spec car. This happens across all manufacturers and is not confined to Honda (Even Ferrari have 2 tyre types specified for the new 599GTB).

In fact, if you have a Civic with Bridgstone tyres there is no real reason why it wont perform as well as one on Michelins as both brands obviously slotted into the same performance envelope during the cars development to be selected and approved as OEM fitment.

Ps. Another reason that Car manufacturers will not limit themselves (or their customers) to 1 tyre brand and type is supply, both to the factory and to customers. Say they only fitted Pilot sports and the factory making them burnt to the ground and supply dried up overnight? This would be a bad thing.

Copycat · 18th October 2006, 10:19

Cheers for that. Seems pretty obvious once you really think about it, I guess.

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Toonman Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 7th September 2006 Location: North East of England Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Ads You mean as I don't agree with you, I must be wrong...? Whatever your reasons for disliking Bridgestones, you should accept the fact many rate them very highly. Please don't try and belittle me as I don't agree with you. Possibly you've tried them on a car they didn't suit? Possibly you've tried a set that aren't so good? I've no idea and to be honest, care even less. I had RE040s on my 4th WRX PPP and replaced them with F1 GSD3s (another excellent tyre on a Subaru) as soon as I could. My 6th WRX PPP had the later RE050s, which were a massive improvement. As said before, the RE070 are in a different league. I could also rant on about Pirelli/Michelins/Uniroyals etc that didn't suit cars I've owned in the past, others that have been perfect and some that have been just okay. Different tyres, different cars. To say that all tyres from one major manufacturer are, "pants" is silly... I have no axe to grind with any manufacturer; I'll buy any tyres that work well. When I competed in the European Rally Championship in the late '70s to mid '80s, I was lucky enough to have a sponsorship deal with Kleber and used their hand cut tarmac tyres. For the rough stuff, I used Pirelli P7 M&S. I got no deal from Pirelli but they suited both my driving style and the cars (Opel Ascona/Lotus Sunbeam/205GTi). They were preferable to the Kleber offerings. Oh, and please don't dredge up posts from the likes of Scoobynet and proffer them as statements of authority. I've been a member for many years and know what utter rubbish gets submitted there.

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Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had Avon ZZ3s fitted to the from of my old Civic, and they were good. Didn't have them long before I traded the car in, though. I have Bridgestone Turanzas on my current Civic ES, which seem OK to me. I have to be pushing them some to exceed their limit, which is not something I make a habbit of. I find myself asking what the point is of trying to find the best possible tyre/car combi, when on the public road, you never get a chance to push the car? If you regularly went on track days, then I could understand... With normal, safe driving on the road, who is going to be able to make use of the difference between an 'average' as opposed to an 'good' tyre performance wise? Comfort and noise is another subjects, which has not been discussed here yet in any detail.

13th October 2006, 23:40	#24 (permalink)
terry Supporter Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 24th September 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 332 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	etyres I think is the company that comes to you to fit new tyres, which is useful, but I didn't find them to be the cheapest. In my area (South Cambridgeshire) the cheapest place is Saxon Gate Motorist Centre in Biggleswade (01767314011 ). It is not the smartest or biggest of places, but they sell and fit a hell of a lot of tyres by having low prices, they have all the major brand as well as budget tyres. I have found it best to book a pair of tyres to make sure they had them in stock before risking driving there to find them out of stock, although they can get deliveries of tyres quite quickly. Last time I was there I asked why they were so cheap, the answer was they buy so many. In fact the chap said Michelin had tried to stop supplying them as they were undercutting too much, but had backed off because the numbers sold by them was so high! Cheers Terry

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Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,441 Thanks: 22 Thanked 158 Times in 95 Posts iTrader: (0)	Civpilot, maybe he's come to the opinion that more dislike Bridgestones than like them, after some time on car forums... In my experience, I have found Bridgestones to be a poor cousin to F1 GDS3's (but then early F1's were awful). MPS, Sportcontacts and P Zeros have all fallen short of the GSD3's, but all in different ways. Interestingly, here's a review of some run-flats, putting Bridgestones on top: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...tyre_test.html Keep it calm please, lads.

17th October 2006, 11:45	#29 (permalink)
CivPilot 您看了 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 1st May 2006 Location: Surrey/Hants Posts: 446 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Pottsy, I'm nice a calm . The claim that more people dislike Bridgestone’s however was very onerous. It's a pretty sweeping statement that I think should really be clarified. I too spend time on other forums (Pistonheads for one, which is I think the biggest motoring forum on the web with 40K+ registered users) and I have yet to see any figures to say Bridgestone’s are largely disliked? That’s why I asked for the source. I would be genuinely interested in reading said info. I've had some Bridgestone’s on an old car (RE71's if I remember correctly, long time ago) and they were stonkingly good tyres. Lasted for absolutely ages. Genuinely not had any info on their absolutely latest top tyre, that’s why I'm interested in the above information. If there is no source then the statement should be started or followed with the words "in my opinion". Lets remember, the internet is an impressionable thing on some people and such sweeping statements could come back to haunt. However, It seems we actually agree on F1's which in my opinion/experience are by far the best tyres I have ever had fitted to any car I have owned. Others I know will not fit anything but F1's (right up to the point of having the dealer fit some before delivery in some extreme cases). I think F1's are the best all round tyre there is in dry conditions with only very few tyres that can match them, and even then they match in only a few areas, but F1 wet weather performance is absolutely second to none. Having driven a car with run flats fitted as replacement tyres personally I think they are terrible. They had a horrible ride and were not too progressive on the limit. However, I'm sure a car with a chassis designed to be fitted with run flats would be a better option, I wouldn’t however fit them to a Civic.

17th October 2006, 12:17	#30 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo master Join Date: 10th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 5,441 Thanks: 22 Thanked 158 Times in 95 Posts iTrader: (0)	Yes, the F1s are, in my opinion, very good. I had RE040's on the 350Z and they had good dry grip, were a bit snatchy and had no wet grip at all. F1's were excellent wet and dry, were progressive and were quiet too (important in the Z). F1's also fixed the problem of my Audi falling down the camber, so based on my experience, they are lined up to replace the MPS on the Civ.

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Bungle Rocketship door handle Join Date: 3rd July 2006 Location: SE London/Kent Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Personally, I will not bother with this 'best tyre' nonsense, and just get my back alley fitter to shove on some £20 remoulded jobbies. They'll be fine! Seriously, My Civic came fitted with Bridgestones, as did a number of new cars sitting in their compund. I don't know if batches come out with different tyres on or what....

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Copycat Galaxy class starship Rocketship door handle Join Date: 5th May 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,050 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Cheers for that. Seems pretty obvious once you really think about it, I guess.