Brakes Replacing Front and Rear Brake Pads (merged) - Page 2

Miggins · 25th March 2007, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by daviep.sco

Hi

I am going to have a go at looking at my front and rear brakes tomorrow, is it an easy job, my rear discs look a bit rusty and I am a bit worried the pads are not coming on correctly, don't want to leave it too long and cause more problems!

Cheers

I had uneven wear with my pads - I will try and post a how to (replace and overhaul your brakes - fr and rr) tonight - I took all the photos but havent had the time

to post.

Patience Pottsy as soon as I post we can clean up and create a proper howto

daviep.sco · 25th March 2007, 16:39

I had a look at mine today, the rear pads look as though I am going to need to replace them, near side is tatally scrapped, think it may have had a problem since it was new. I am going to mention it to the dealer when I phone them tomorrow as I only picked up the car on Thursday.

Anyone bought new ones and if so where and how much?

Miggins · 25th March 2007, 18:29

See link in the post by PTR (Search!!!) - these were the cheapest I could find - I dont recommend pattern parts or uprated.

My nearside went first (strange) and the dealer said a 50% difference in wear was acceptable!!!!!!!

alnug · 25th April 2007, 16:29

what you'll find with the new hondas is that the rear pads are thinner and that's why they wear out faster.

If the brakes are similar to the Accord, then you'll probably have slight binding issues in the rear which cause accelerated wear. I noticed this on the Accord at about 5K miles.....I took the pads out and cleaned the guide pins and lubricated them.

Pads lasted until 50K miles all round after that...when it came time to replace I did all four sides....I have heard some people wear out the pads in as little as 20K miles due to this issue.

Miggins · 25th April 2007, 23:40

Although I agree that well lubed and clean pins are essential for efficient as well as an extended pad life - mine wore out at 12k and did not appear to be binding. If this is the case its another issue for Honda to sort.

The accelerated wear on one side would indicate binding but again this was not apparent!

Rear pads are not only thinner but also a smaller surface area and so the life would be reduced if the load was the same as the front calipers. However the load on the rear pads is less (due to wt transfer to the front of the vehicle less force is required to 'lock up' the pads) so life should be better than the fronts (give or take)

elisgriffiths · 18th July 2007, 11:56

I have posted this to an extent else ware and thanks to Jedi71 for replying so quickly there. I am afraid I need to call to arms the wisdom of some if not all of my fellow Civic heads...

Does anyone know if the civic Icdti should be eating front pads and tyres at the rate it does, I know people with BMW M3's that get more out of there rear tyres than I get out of my fronts.

Also isn't 12,500 miles ridiculously low milage for a 140bhp (admittedly high tq) car to be eating it's pads this fast. My mates 130bhp diesel Focus's and meganes and golf's all seem to be getting twice this milage out of the front pads and tyres.

I love my civic but the bloody thing is starting to eat me out of house and home.

Incidentally the rear pads have been replaced at 25,000 miles (also over half worn).

Not uniformed jibes about driving style please... I am an M4 warrior... 11,000 of the last 12,500 miles have been spent on the motorway doing 75ish... so I just don't get why the Civic hates it's fronts so much.

I have noticed chirping form the brakes even when i am going in a straight line... Hit the VSA button to off and for the most part the chirping goes. Even after short journey's there is a lot of heat in the front wheels.

My steering wheel is misaligned slightly so that if I steer the car straight it looks as if i am turning left ever so slightly in the cabin, i.e. if held with the steering at the visual centre the car turns to the right i.e. away from the camber (enough for most motorway bends in-fact).

Understandably the dealer has kindly offered me the advice that it is my driving that is to blame, fair enough, but I don't drive 'crabwise' down the M4 so how does it all ware so fast?...

In other words

Please help...

Cheers

Elis

P.S. I also just remembered that the chirping becomes far less when the wheel is at the optical centre. I remember reading a thread that said about there being a steering wheel angle sensor?

Is this a fallacy? or could the misalignment of the steering mean that my car VSA(EBD?) is always thinking that it is going round a bend and fighting to help me go round a bend even though I am just going straight ahead... though I admit that this is really clutching now. It would make sense in a way as even when going straight my satnav (EX civic not Tomtom) seems to think that i am going left i.e. on a straight ahead road the screen shows the road kinking left slightly, my work tomtom shows the road straight and true...

Would this also not help to explain the higher ware rate... Mum's got a 140bhp diesel A4 estate, heavier car and right foot. I get better MPG but she has been getting 24,000 miles out of her fronts and at 35,000 miles no sign of needing new pads... I am starting to thing that these new Civic pads are made of bloody recycled bog roll or something...

Oh Yeah, not the biggest tech head, but I have understood 99.5% of what has been said so far... It is just if an accord can manage 30,000 ish miles why can't my lovely star-ship

pcr · 18th July 2007, 13:05

Elis, this won't help much but I would drive on your M4 for say half an hour without using brakes then pull into services also without braking, yes you can do this. If the brake discs are warm, then I would be concerned.

elisgriffiths · 18th July 2007, 13:26

preety much I have tried this and the brake disks are warm. I have a three mile trip into town with 5 points at which very light breaking is needed and they are hot not warm by then!

WoolyCiv · 18th July 2007, 22:48

Elis I have just checked on the service sheet from my first service, I have not done a high mileage (5500) but most of it has been done on mixed dual carriageway/town driving and the mech has marked the brake pads as 10% worn on both fronts and 5% worn on the rears. This extrapolates to 50000 miles for the fronts which would be fantastic but unbelievable even so I would imagine at least 22000 from them.
The front tyres where marked as having 7mm of tread and the rears 8mm.

Note all of the above is for a 1.8 and not a 2.2 although I would not have expected a dramatic difference.

elisgriffiths · 19th July 2007, 01:58

thanks woolyciv i would agree some difference would be expected but not a halfing...

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnug

what you'll find with the new hondas is that the rear pads are thinner and that's why they wear out faster.

If the brakes are similar to the Accord, then you'll probably have slight binding issues in the rear which cause accelerated wear. I noticed this on the Accord at about 5K miles.....I took the pads out and cleaned the guide pins and lubricated them.

Pads lasted until 50K miles all round after that...when it came time to replace I did all four sides....I have heard some people wear out the pads in as little as 20K miles due to this issue.

Strange that a heavier car with all the same electronic goodies helping the handling, powered by the same engine would get over 30,000 on pads... Man 20,000 miles would be a blessing...

cheers all...

alnug · 21st July 2007, 00:05

yep..but i do all the brake work on the car myself...i don't trust others after a so called 'dealer' did a brake job and all they did was goop anti seize on the open bits of the brake pads that you can see through the caliper!!

I have heard some owners of the Accord who have worn through pads after 20K due to slight binding issues

pcr · 21st July 2007, 00:47

Alnug,
Same goes for me, replacing pads is an ideal opportunity to clean and check everything, grease handbrake connections, brake pipes, etc., garages/dealers don't seem to do this. My daughter had pads fitted by dealer who left the backing paper on the pads and lost one of the shims, put me off for good.

elisgriffiths · 23rd July 2007, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnug

yep..but i do all the brake work on the car myself...i don't trust others after a so called 'dealer' did a brake job and all they did was goop anti seize on the open bits of the brake pads that you can see through the caliper!!

I have heard some owners of the Accord who have worn through pads after 20K due to slight binding issues

I would love it if i was mechanically minded enough to do it myself

mind you i would put up with binding issues if it meant i would only have to give the beast new pads only every other service...

elfa7 · 24th July 2007, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoolyCiv

Elis I have just checked on the service sheet from my first service, I have not done a high mileage (5500) but most of it has been done on mixed dual carriageway/town driving and the mech has marked the brake pads as 10% worn on both fronts and 5% worn on the rears. This extrapolates to 50000 miles for the fronts which would be fantastic but unbelievable even so I would imagine at least 22000 from them.
The front tyres where marked as having 7mm of tread and the rears 8mm.

Note all of the above is for a 1.8 and not a 2.2 although I would not have expected a dramatic difference.

I had my diesel serviced in Feb. with 6347 miles.

Front brakes 20% wear. Rears 10% wear.
Front tyres 4 mm Rears 5 mm.

elisgriffiths · 30th July 2007, 01:25

I think therefore that maybe I may need to were thinner soled shoes

... the dealer seems to have done drastic to the car as the steering seems to have a lot more life to it now... though they said that all they did was change the pads... oh well at least they are a friendly bunch as I seem to be seeing a lot of them lately...

Miggins · 4th October 2007, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miggins

My nearside went first (strange) and the dealer said a 50% difference in wear was acceptable!!!!!!!

seems my brakes are down to the wear (squeal) indicators on the nearside rear again - and I have only just past the 20K mark - not at all happy.

Something is seriously wrong with the set up of the/my Civic for this to be happening on one brake/wheel - I could understand it if it was both wheels on the same axle

Bog · 1st February 2008, 18:19

Changed the front pads today myself today and I was suprised how easy it was

,.

Most of my local motor factors did not stock the pads (inc Halfords), so I had to get them from Honda - £45 inc VAT. For that you get 4 pads, 2 piston shims, 4 new bolts and 4 4 pad guides.

I took about half an hour per wheel including getting the wheels off!

The best thing about it isw that I did not have to pay the stealers the quotes £150

- I going to do the rear pads next weekend.

Unknownsoldier · 1st February 2008, 18:53

BMW 5 Series use a 'mini drum' for the handbrake, it is a useless idea and never actually held the car on any kind of a slope.

Tom

ep1 · 14th February 2008, 11:17

Have you changed the rear pads yet? If so how easy was it?

aw2809 · 15th February 2008, 11:35

Going to be replacing my rears pads tomorrow - just hoping that the pistons are right hand thread as I've only got a regular wind back tool... Will try to take some photos if it would be of help...?

As far as wear rates go, my 06 1.8 sport is on 39.5k miles so far and I've replaced the following

Front Pads @ 26k (Replaced with Genuine Honda Spares)
Front Tyres @ 20k (Replaced with Bridgestone RE050s)
Front Tyres @ 38.5k (Replaced with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymetricos)
Rear Pads @ 39.5k (Replaced with Genuine Honda Spares)
Rear Tyres Originals still on, 4.5mm left with 2 puncture repairs

Disappointed with the wear rates of both sets of fronts so far, although cost per mile was better for the bridgestones as they came in at half the price of the standard tyres

25th April 2007, 23:40	#25 (permalink)
Miggins Enthusiastic Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 25th August 2006 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 531 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Although I agree that well lubed and clean pins are essential for efficient as well as an extended pad life - mine wore out at 12k and did not appear to be binding. If this is the case its another issue for Honda to sort. The accelerated wear on one side would indicate binding but again this was not apparent! Rear pads are not only thinner but also a smaller surface area and so the life would be reduced if the load was the same as the front calipers. However the load on the rear pads is less (due to wt transfer to the front of the vehicle less force is required to 'lock up' the pads) so life should be better than the fronts (give or take) Last edited by Miggins; 25th April 2007 at 23:45.

18th July 2007, 11:56	#26 (permalink)
elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	balls... I have posted this to an extent else ware and thanks to Jedi71 for replying so quickly there. I am afraid I need to call to arms the wisdom of some if not all of my fellow Civic heads... Does anyone know if the civic Icdti should be eating front pads and tyres at the rate it does, I know people with BMW M3's that get more out of there rear tyres than I get out of my fronts. Also isn't 12,500 miles ridiculously low milage for a 140bhp (admittedly high tq) car to be eating it's pads this fast. My mates 130bhp diesel Focus's and meganes and golf's all seem to be getting twice this milage out of the front pads and tyres. I love my civic but the bloody thing is starting to eat me out of house and home. Incidentally the rear pads have been replaced at 25,000 miles (also over half worn). Not uniformed jibes about driving style please... I am an M4 warrior... 11,000 of the last 12,500 miles have been spent on the motorway doing 75ish... so I just don't get why the Civic hates it's fronts so much. I have noticed chirping form the brakes even when i am going in a straight line... Hit the VSA button to off and for the most part the chirping goes. Even after short journey's there is a lot of heat in the front wheels. My steering wheel is misaligned slightly so that if I steer the car straight it looks as if i am turning left ever so slightly in the cabin, i.e. if held with the steering at the visual centre the car turns to the right i.e. away from the camber (enough for most motorway bends in-fact). Understandably the dealer has kindly offered me the advice that it is my driving that is to blame, fair enough, but I don't drive 'crabwise' down the M4 so how does it all ware so fast?... In other words Please help... Cheers Elis P.S. I also just remembered that the chirping becomes far less when the wheel is at the optical centre. I remember reading a thread that said about there being a steering wheel angle sensor? Is this a fallacy? or could the misalignment of the steering mean that my car VSA(EBD?) is always thinking that it is going round a bend and fighting to help me go round a bend even though I am just going straight ahead... though I admit that this is really clutching now. It would make sense in a way as even when going straight my satnav (EX civic not Tomtom) seems to think that i am going left i.e. on a straight ahead road the screen shows the road kinking left slightly, my work tomtom shows the road straight and true... Would this also not help to explain the higher ware rate... Mum's got a 140bhp diesel A4 estate, heavier car and right foot. I get better MPG but she has been getting 24,000 miles out of her fronts and at 35,000 miles no sign of needing new pads... I am starting to thing that these new Civic pads are made of bloody recycled bog roll or something... Oh Yeah, not the biggest tech head, but I have understood 99.5% of what has been said so far... It is just if an accord can manage 30,000 ish miles why can't my lovely star-ship

30th July 2007, 01:25	#35 (permalink)
elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I think therefore that maybe I may need to were thinner soled shoes... the dealer seems to have done drastic to the car as the steering seems to have a lot more life to it now... though they said that all they did was change the pads... oh well at least they are a friendly bunch as I seem to be seeing a lot of them lately...

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daviep.sco Supporter Valve Cap Join Date: 17th March 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I had a look at mine today, the rear pads look as though I am going to need to replace them, near side is tatally scrapped, think it may have had a problem since it was new. I am going to mention it to the dealer when I phone them tomorrow as I only picked up the car on Thursday. Anyone bought new ones and if so where and how much?

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Miggins Enthusiastic Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 25th August 2006 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 531 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	See link in the post by PTR (Search!!!) - these were the cheapest I could find - I dont recommend pattern parts or uprated. My nearside went first (strange) and the dealer said a 50% difference in wear was acceptable!!!!!!!

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alnug Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd April 2007 Location: Wakefield - West Yorkshire Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	what you'll find with the new hondas is that the rear pads are thinner and that's why they wear out faster. If the brakes are similar to the Accord, then you'll probably have slight binding issues in the rear which cause accelerated wear. I noticed this on the Accord at about 5K miles.....I took the pads out and cleaned the guide pins and lubricated them. Pads lasted until 50K miles all round after that...when it came time to replace I did all four sides....I have heard some people wear out the pads in as little as 20K miles due to this issue.

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pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Elis, this won't help much but I would drive on your M4 for say half an hour without using brakes then pull into services also without braking, yes you can do this. If the brake discs are warm, then I would be concerned.

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elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	preety much I have tried this and the brake disks are warm. I have a three mile trip into town with 5 points at which very light breaking is needed and they are hot not warm by then!

18th July 2007, 22:48	#29 (permalink)
WoolyCiv 12th June 2006 1.8EX Rocketship door handle Join Date: 28th May 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Elis I have just checked on the service sheet from my first service, I have not done a high mileage (5500) but most of it has been done on mixed dual carriageway/town driving and the mech has marked the brake pads as 10% worn on both fronts and 5% worn on the rears. This extrapolates to 50000 miles for the fronts which would be fantastic but unbelievable even so I would imagine at least 22000 from them. The front tyres where marked as having 7mm of tread and the rears 8mm. Note all of the above is for a 1.8 and not a 2.2 although I would not have expected a dramatic difference.

21st July 2007, 00:05	#31 (permalink)
alnug Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd April 2007 Location: Wakefield - West Yorkshire Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	yep..but i do all the brake work on the car myself...i don't trust others after a so called 'dealer' did a brake job and all they did was goop anti seize on the open bits of the brake pads that you can see through the caliper!! I have heard some owners of the Accord who have worn through pads after 20K due to slight binding issues

21st July 2007, 00:47	#32 (permalink)
pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Alnug, Same goes for me, replacing pads is an ideal opportunity to clean and check everything, grease handbrake connections, brake pipes, etc., garages/dealers don't seem to do this. My daughter had pads fitted by dealer who left the backing paper on the pads and lost one of the shims, put me off for good.

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Bog Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th October 2006 Location: Romford, Essex Posts: 900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader: (0)	Changed the front pads today myself today and I was suprised how easy it was ,. Most of my local motor factors did not stock the pads (inc Halfords), so I had to get them from Honda - £45 inc VAT. For that you get 4 pads, 2 piston shims, 4 new bolts and 4 4 pad guides. I took about half an hour per wheel including getting the wheels off! The best thing about it isw that I did not have to pay the stealers the quotes £150 - I going to do the rear pads next weekend.

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Unknownsoldier Comedian/Smart Ase Civinfo guru* Join Date: 22nd September 2007 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 2,593 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts iTrader: (0)	BMW 5 Series use a 'mini drum' for the handbrake, it is a useless idea and never actually held the car on any kind of a slope. Tom

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ep1 Valve Cap Join Date: 27th June 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Have you changed the rear pads yet? If so how easy was it?

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aw2809 Valve Cap Join Date: 15th February 2008 Location: Market Harborough, UK Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Going to be replacing my rears pads tomorrow - just hoping that the pistons are right hand thread as I've only got a regular wind back tool... Will try to take some photos if it would be of help...? As far as wear rates go, my 06 1.8 sport is on 39.5k miles so far and I've replaced the following Front Pads @ 26k (Replaced with Genuine Honda Spares) Front Tyres @ 20k (Replaced with Bridgestone RE050s) Front Tyres @ 38.5k (Replaced with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymetricos) Rear Pads @ 39.5k (Replaced with Genuine Honda Spares) Rear Tyres Originals still on, 4.5mm left with 2 puncture repairs Disappointed with the wear rates of both sets of fronts so far, although cost per mile was better for the bridgestones as they came in at half the price of the standard tyres