Brakes Brake pad Life

jimbo · 1st March 2007, 21:54

Just picked up my civic from 1st service and was really suprised when advised by the garage that it needed new front pads , to start with i didn't believe them , but they were well and truly Knackered !
From memory the front pads lasted till about 35 k on my last car ( Volvo S60 D5 )
Has anyone else had the same Experience ?

Jimbo

elisgriffiths · 1st March 2007, 23:50

Me too i am afraid new pads at 12,500 they said they were over half worn and wouldn't make it to the next service...

czechplastik · 1st March 2007, 23:54

i-CDTI just makes you want to drive hard! My tyres are done after 7k, I'll be needing brake pads too then.

Kremmen · 2nd March 2007, 07:04

If they were only just over ½ worn then I think I would have waited a while and had them done later.

Your possibly going to get the same situation in a years time.

ps: how much did they charge for pads & fitting ?

okehciv · 2nd March 2007, 07:14

Oh dear mine is in for first service next week,wasn't expecting to have to get new pads already

pcr · 2nd March 2007, 08:40

Brake pad wear depends hugely on driving style. All things being equal you could expect similar wear to your previous car, but as CP says, I suspect the Civic has changed some people's driving style.

lippy · 2nd March 2007, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by czechplastik

i-CDTI just makes you want to drive hard! My tyres are done after 7k, I'll be needing brake pads too then.

Then thank god I've got a petrol model!! Earliest I've ever done tyres on a car is 18k and I thought that bad. Will prob get eagle f1s when need changing.

Not happy that brake pads don't seem to be lasting that well either, first car I've had where, from what you lot are saying, that pads will prob need changing around the 25k service. Mind you with the number of miles I actually do in reality that will prob be after 3 years - MOT time!

jimbo · 2nd March 2007, 23:36

I, m just glad that ive got a few mil. left on my tyres , my pads wernt just half worn , but about 95 % , quite scary really , if I actually drove my civic as hard as i would like to , without a care for fuel consumption . they may not have made it to the 1st service.
jimb0

TTDegs · 5th March 2007, 10:31

mine were 30% worn front, 20% worn rear at my 12K service

Bardley · 5th March 2007, 13:24

Just got back from my first service, car has only done about 6700 brake pads are 30% worn on all 4. Wasn't sure if this was good or bad as this is my 3rd car in 3 years driving, so haven't had to change any pads yet.

Tyres are 4mm front and 6mm at the back

TTDegs · 5th March 2007, 14:37

hmmmm

my fronts went at 11K

rears were still 6mm at 12K...

perhaps stop sliding to a halt at junctions Bardley?

jme1978 · 5th March 2007, 19:10

Judging by the amount of dust that comes off them I use a set everyday but Honda sneak round during the night and change them.

This is the only explination I can think of.

Thanks

J ;o)

sik2k · 5th March 2007, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by jme1978

Judging by the amount of dust that comes off them I use a set everyday but Honda sneak round during the night and change them.

My last Type R (2003) had the same dust problem. It would get all down the side of the car and make a right mess. It was so bad I actaully took it back to the dealer to get them to look and they just said it was 'normal'. They didn't wear out particularly quickly though.

It was a good few thousand miles before I stopped noticing.

Bardley · 6th March 2007, 06:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTDegs

perhaps stop sliding to a halt at junctions Bardley?

ahhh, that's what that screeching is

......I didn't think I ever brake very hard coming to junctions *Shruggs Shoulders*

civicsport · 9th March 2007, 18:12

Just got mine back from 1st servce at 9286 Miles, Front pads 10% wear, Rear pads 0% Wear, Front tyres 7mm, Rears 6mm. They must have swapped them at the service!!! Also does anyone know how much oil the engine holds?? (1.

they put in 3 Lts plus 1 Lt top-up on the invoice, but they also put a full 1 Lt top-up in the boot, It must hold more than 3 Lts surely???

Miggins · 9th March 2007, 19:35

Be aware that if you are warned your pads are low they do disappear quickly
- I was warned at my service that they were low and one was close to 100%, which should mean close to the wear limit. What they didn't tell me was it was close to the metal. They also told me the wrong pad was close so I kept having a look at the decent one. I ended up with metal flake all over my wheel only 2 weeks after service.

Yes I carried on driving (my choice) but I had ordered pads and wasn't informed failure was immanent. It is the service departments duty to clearly state the position and risk - this is part of what they are paid to do in a service.

As it turned out both fronts were low - but ready to change. However the rears were a different story one was only half worn the other was down to the metal. I was told by the dealer this is acceptable. *** is an understatement - never have I heard or experienced such a thing.

Strangely it was the near side rear that wore the most.

Cost just under £70 (delivered) to do all 4.

I agree the Civic makes you drive 'differently' but the key difference is the emergency brake assist - I brake hard but sometimes it comes on when I dont want or need it - this will easily eat rubber and pads.

generationgav · 10th April 2007, 09:53

My fronts have gone "completely" at 21k, I was told by the AA and by where I got it done that it seems a very low mileage to require it, but maybe not now!
And was told to be very suprised that I wasn't warned of it at 1st service, maybe the dealer I used wasn't as good as I thought.

elisgriffiths · 18th July 2007, 10:55

hia everyone please jump to reply as my car is at the stealers as I type.

Does anyone know if the civic Icdti should be eating front pads and tyres at the rate it does, I know people with BMW M3's that get more out of there rear tyres than I get out of my fronts.

Also isn't 12,500 miles ridiculously low milage for a 140bhp (admittedly high tq) car to be eating it's pads this fast. My mates 130bhp diesel Focus's and meganes and golf's all seem to be getting twice this milage out of the front pads and tyres.

I love my civic but the bloody thing is starting to eat me out of house and home.

Incidentally the rear pads have been replaced at 25,000 miles (also over half worn).

Not uniformed jibes about driving style please... I am an M4 warrior... 11,000 of the last 12,500 miles have been spent on the motorway doing 75ish... so I just don't get why the Civic hates it's fronts so much.

I have noticed chirping form the brakes even when i am going in a straight line... Hit the VSA button to off and for the most part the chirping goes. Even after short journey's there is a lot of heat in the front wheels. And my steering wheel is misaligned slightly so that if I steer the car straight it looks as if i am turning left ever so slightly, i.e. if held with the steering at the visual centre the car turns to the right i.e. away from the camber (enough for most motorway bends in-fact).

Understandably the dealer has kindly offered me the advice that it is my driving that is to blame, fair enough, but I don't drive 'crabwise' down the M4 so how does it all ware so fast?...

In other words

Please help...

Cheers

Elis

Jedi71 · 18th July 2007, 11:05

hi i have used 2 sets of fronts and one rear set in 22000 miles seems alot of use as my previous car 250 bhp and driven hard sti used less than this good think it is the vsa that makes u use more or so i have been told !!!!!!

elisgriffiths · 18th July 2007, 11:18

Thanks Jedi71, I also just remembered that the chirping becomes far less when the wheel is at the optical centre. I remember reading a thread that said about there being a steering wheel angle sensor?

Is this a fallacy? or could the misalignment of the steering mean that my car VSA is always thinking that it is going round a bend and fighting to help me go round a bend even though I am just going straight ahead... though I admit that this is really clutching now. It would make sense in a way as even when going straight my satnav (EX civic not Tomtom) seems to think that i am going left i.e. on a straight ahead road the screen shows the road kinking left slightly, my work tomtom shows the road straight and true...

Would this also not help to explain the higher ware rate... Mum's got a 140bhp diesel A4 estate, heavier car and right foot. I get better MPG but she has been getting 24,000 out of her fronts and at 35,000 no sign of needing new pads... I am starting to thing that these new Civic pads are made of bloody recycled bog roll or something...

1st March 2007, 21:54	#1 (permalink)
jimbo Valve Cap Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Brake pad Life Just picked up my civic from 1st service and was really suprised when advised by the garage that it needed new front pads , to start with i didn't believe them , but they were well and truly Knackered ! From memory the front pads lasted till about 35 k on my last car ( Volvo S60 D5 ) Has anyone else had the same Experience ? Jimbo

9th March 2007, 19:35	#16 (permalink)
Miggins Enthusiastic Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 25th August 2006 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 531 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	someone is taking the.....brake pad material? Be aware that if you are warned your pads are low they do disappear quickly - I was warned at my service that they were low and one was close to 100%, which should mean close to the wear limit. What they didn't tell me was it was close to the metal. They also told me the wrong pad was close so I kept having a look at the decent one. I ended up with metal flake all over my wheel only 2 weeks after service. Yes I carried on driving (my choice) but I had ordered pads and wasn't informed failure was immanent. It is the service departments duty to clearly state the position and risk - this is part of what they are paid to do in a service. As it turned out both fronts were low - but ready to change. However the rears were a different story one was only half worn the other was down to the metal. I was told by the dealer this is acceptable. *** is an understatement - never have I heard or experienced such a thing. Strangely it was the near side rear that wore the most. Cost just under £70 (delivered) to do all 4. I agree the Civic makes you drive 'differently' but the key difference is the emergency brake assist - I brake hard but sometimes it comes on when I dont want or need it - this will easily eat rubber and pads.

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Jedi71 Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd October 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 112 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Brake use hi i have used 2 sets of fronts and one rear set in 22000 miles seems alot of use as my previous car 250 bhp and driven hard sti used less than this good think it is the vsa that makes u use more or so i have been told !!!!!!

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elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Me too i am afraid new pads at 12,500 they said they were over half worn and wouldn't make it to the next service...

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czechplastik King of the rodeo Civinfo guru Join Date: 24th October 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	i-CDTI just makes you want to drive hard! My tyres are done after 7k, I'll be needing brake pads too then.

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Kremmen Krem de la Krem Civinfo guru Join Date: 7th January 2007 Location: West London Posts: 2,865 Thanks: 13 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts iTrader: (0)	If they were only just over ½ worn then I think I would have waited a while and had them done later. Your possibly going to get the same situation in a years time. ps: how much did they charge for pads & fitting ?

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okehciv Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 21st January 2007 Location: shaw gtr manchester Posts: 979 Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader: (0)	Oh dear mine is in for first service next week,wasn't expecting to have to get new pads already

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pcr Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 5th September 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 848 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	Brake pad wear depends hugely on driving style. All things being equal you could expect similar wear to your previous car, but as CP says, I suspect the Civic has changed some people's driving style.

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jimbo Valve Cap Join Date: 7th August 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	I, m just glad that ive got a few mil. left on my tyres , my pads wernt just half worn , but about 95 % , quite scary really , if I actually drove my civic as hard as i would like to , without a care for fuel consumption . they may not have made it to the 1st service. jimb0

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	mine were 30% worn front, 20% worn rear at my 12K service

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Bardley Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 18th August 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just got back from my first service, car has only done about 6700 brake pads are 30% worn on all 4. Wasn't sure if this was good or bad as this is my 3rd car in 3 years driving, so haven't had to change any pads yet. Tyres are 4mm front and 6mm at the back

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TTDegs Super Moderator Civinfo master Join Date: 4th August 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader: (0)	hmmmm my fronts went at 11K rears were still 6mm at 12K... perhaps stop sliding to a halt at junctions Bardley?

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jme1978 Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 29th April 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 211 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Judging by the amount of dust that comes off them I use a set everyday but Honda sneak round during the night and change them. This is the only explination I can think of. Thanks J ;o)

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civicsport Mr. Foglights Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 16th June 2006 Location: Stockton-on-Tees Posts: 189 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Just got mine back from 1st servce at 9286 Miles, Front pads 10% wear, Rear pads 0% Wear, Front tyres 7mm, Rears 6mm. They must have swapped them at the service!!! Also does anyone know how much oil the engine holds?? (1. they put in 3 Lts plus 1 Lt top-up on the invoice, but they also put a full 1 Lt top-up in the boot, It must hold more than 3 Lts surely???

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generationgav Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 29th May 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 809 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: (0)	My fronts have gone "completely" at 21k, I was told by the AA and by where I got it done that it seems a very low mileage to require it, but maybe not now! And was told to be very suprised that I wasn't warned of it at 1st service, maybe the dealer I used wasn't as good as I thought.

18th July 2007, 10:55	#18 (permalink)
elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	hia everyone please jump to reply as my car is at the stealers as I type. Does anyone know if the civic Icdti should be eating front pads and tyres at the rate it does, I know people with BMW M3's that get more out of there rear tyres than I get out of my fronts. Also isn't 12,500 miles ridiculously low milage for a 140bhp (admittedly high tq) car to be eating it's pads this fast. My mates 130bhp diesel Focus's and meganes and golf's all seem to be getting twice this milage out of the front pads and tyres. I love my civic but the bloody thing is starting to eat me out of house and home. Incidentally the rear pads have been replaced at 25,000 miles (also over half worn). Not uniformed jibes about driving style please... I am an M4 warrior... 11,000 of the last 12,500 miles have been spent on the motorway doing 75ish... so I just don't get why the Civic hates it's fronts so much. I have noticed chirping form the brakes even when i am going in a straight line... Hit the VSA button to off and for the most part the chirping goes. Even after short journey's there is a lot of heat in the front wheels. And my steering wheel is misaligned slightly so that if I steer the car straight it looks as if i am turning left ever so slightly, i.e. if held with the steering at the visual centre the car turns to the right i.e. away from the camber (enough for most motorway bends in-fact). Understandably the dealer has kindly offered me the advice that it is my driving that is to blame, fair enough, but I don't drive 'crabwise' down the M4 so how does it all ware so fast?... In other words Please help... Cheers Elis

18th July 2007, 11:18	#20 (permalink)
elisgriffiths Supporter Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 3rd September 2006 Location: West Wales Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: (0)	Thanks Jedi71, I also just remembered that the chirping becomes far less when the wheel is at the optical centre. I remember reading a thread that said about there being a steering wheel angle sensor? Is this a fallacy? or could the misalignment of the steering mean that my car VSA is always thinking that it is going round a bend and fighting to help me go round a bend even though I am just going straight ahead... though I admit that this is really clutching now. It would make sense in a way as even when going straight my satnav (EX civic not Tomtom) seems to think that i am going left i.e. on a straight ahead road the screen shows the road kinking left slightly, my work tomtom shows the road straight and true... Would this also not help to explain the higher ware rate... Mum's got a 140bhp diesel A4 estate, heavier car and right foot. I get better MPG but she has been getting 24,000 out of her fronts and at 35,000 no sign of needing new pads... I am starting to thing that these new Civic pads are made of bloody recycled bog roll or something...