Suspension Light steering since having eibach's installed

roundy · 2nd September 2011, 11:49

Hi guys,

Has anyone who changed to the eibach springs 15mm drop for a 2.2 noticed the steering feeling any lighter around town use?

I have only had the springs changed not had fast road setup, spacers or anything else done etc

When i first collected the car it felt firmer and better around bends i was just after some feedback really as this is something i am noticing more and more.

Tyre pressure is fine before you

Cheers
James

Sctrpop · 2nd September 2011, 11:59

I thought that the 15mm were for the Type R and that we had to do the 25mm in our 2.2 due to weight...

J. Derek Riddell · 2nd September 2011, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sctrpop

I thought that the 15mm were for the Type R and that we had to do the 25mm in our 2.2 due to weight...

These are indeed a 25mm drop on everything except the Type R ...

Fr0d · 2nd September 2011, 15:15

Get your geometry checked, as it is bound to be altered slightly if the struts have been removed.

roundy · 21st October 2011, 13:21

had 4 new tyres and laser alignment done, still a problem

Think camber bolts will fix it?

J. Derek Riddell · 21st October 2011, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

Had 4 new tyres and laser alignment done, still a problem

Think camber bolts will fix it?

Eibach lowering springs and full FRS will result in the steering being that bit lighter and more precise - mine was "point and shoot" afterwards ...

roundy · 21st October 2011, 22:09

I agree, but still have the issue when turning left it is totally different from when turning the wheel to the right.

Shouldnt be the way it is and it wasnt for the first few weeks.

J. Derek Riddell · 21st October 2011, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

I agree, but still have the issue when turning left it is totally different from when turning the wheel to the right. Shouldnt be the way it is and it wasnt for the first few weeks.

Full FRS ...

Woette · 22nd October 2011, 09:40

Did you fit the right springs?
I read on here that the kit for the 1.8 and 2.2 are different due to the extra weight of the diesel engine?

tinkz · 22nd October 2011, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

had 4 new tyres and laser alignment done, still a problem

Think camber bolts will fix it?

you say you had "laser alignment done", can i ask which type of laser alignment?

Was it the one where they clamp the lasers to the front wheels and a scale to the rears ! cost approx £25-30

Or

Was it the Hunter 4 wheel alignment system there reflectors are attatched to all 4 wheels and the lasers are flaashing on something that wouldnt look out of place in Star Wars, cost approx £40-80

The Hunter system is by far the superior and most accurate, get the camber bolts fitted at the same time as alignment/FRS, this should cure it unless there is a problem with the springs/fittment of them

You can do an internet search for hunter Alignment machines in your area

roundy · 24th October 2011, 09:51

I would say more like the first one, with the readout being displayed on a computer for the guys to adjust. He did say he couldn’t adjust the camber side of things and recommended me to another company. Both front wheels were out to the left.

To be honest, I tried the car out on the way to work (70 miles) and it did feel better than before but still want the car checking due to the miles I cover on a month.

roundy · 24th October 2011, 09:53

This is what i had - http://www.iamotorsport.co.uk/gfx/walignment2.jpg

J. Derek Riddell · 24th October 2011, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

I would say more like the first one, with the readout being displayed on a computer for the guys to adjust. He did say he couldn’t adjust the camber side of things and recommended me to another company. Both front wheels were out to the left. To be honest, I tried the car out on the way to work (70 miles) and it did feel better than before but still want the car checking due to the miles I cover on a month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

This is what i had - http://www.iamotorsport.co.uk/gfx/walignment2.jpg

Well - we keeps a tellin ya - but ja don't listen so good ! ...

Full (4-wheel) FRS, done by a specialist - that'l sort out the tracking and camber, front and rear, once and for all ...

roundy · 7th June 2012, 16:32

I know i left this topic for while but finally made time to get the car on hunters alignment system and the guy said he wasn't happy at all with the way the car feels when he turns the wheel to the right (seems very stiff) and then effortless to the right. Said the tracking is spot on already and suggested i visit Honda to see whats going on or go back to my old springs.

Just wondered if anyone had the springs changed and did not have the FRS alignment + camber bolts done and they experienced the same problems as myself.

ps do you have the camber bolts fitted front and rear?

roundy · 7th June 2012, 16:39

effortless turning to the 'left' sorry, and is getting even worse at high speeds

Scotty182 · 7th June 2012, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

This is what i had - http://www.iamotorsport.co.uk/gfx/walignment2.jpg

This is very similar to the hunter set-up mentioned, just another type
very good, and very precise bit of kit (this is what we use)

As for the issue, does the EPS made any noises at all when you steer from lock to lock ? could be a rack issue

Syx · 7th June 2012, 17:02

I have the springs fitted to my 2.2 with no FRS as yet. There has been no change to the steering.

Revs FN2 · 7th June 2012, 17:22

Mine felt different after installing springs. It may have accentuated the effect of an already incorrect camber angle.

Since FRS it's better, but it depends on how you have the guys set the car up. If you have some negative camber the tyre doesn't quite sit flat on the road and therefore takes away some of the self-centering effect. But if one side is cambered differently to the other it can do all sorts of odd things with the steering feel. Differing tyre pressures can have the same/similar effect so make sure they're correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundy

ps do you have the camber bolts fitted front and rear?

Camber bolts at the front, shims at the rear (between the hub and arm).

Syx, you've been here a while now, you should know better! I demand you get FRS NOW! Seriously though, nothing.. NOTHING has improved the feel of the car more that FRS. The difference is stunning (mainly the feel of the rear end on the limit)

roundy · 8th June 2012, 09:21

Can you guys give me any examples of camber bolt costs and fitting please?

Revs FN2 · 8th June 2012, 09:33

The kit is reasonably cheap, but they need installing as part of the FRS. Call ABP or TDi North for a price

2nd September 2011, 11:49	#1 (permalink)
roundy Never tap! Car: 2007 Type S 2.2GT Milano Red Join Date: 5th August 2008 Location: West mids Posts: 742 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts iTrader: (2)	Light steering since having eibach's installed Hi guys, Has anyone who changed to the eibach springs 15mm drop for a 2.2 noticed the steering feeling any lighter around town use? I have only had the springs changed not had fast road setup, spacers or anything else done etc When i first collected the car it felt firmer and better around bends i was just after some feedback really as this is something i am noticing more and more. Tyre pressure is fine before you Cheers James

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Revs FN2 aka Paul Join Date: 14th April 2012 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 2,494 Thanks given: 683 Thanked 489 Times in 420 Posts iTrader: (7)	The kit is reasonably cheap, but they need installing as part of the FRS. Call ABP or TDi North for a price