Winter Dayton tyres (winter)

[FWH]

Hi,

When ordering my dealer advised that he could not specify exactly which winter tyres would be supplied as it depended on what deals Honda were making. But I was told that it would be a premium tyre such as Nokian, Pirelli etc.

The tyres I got however were Dayton DW700.
Unfortunatley I didn´t realise this until I got home.

I have never even heard of Dayton.

Anyone with any experiences?

Update:

Apparently these are either manufactured by (or at least imported into Sweden) by Bridgestone.

The brand positioning within the Firestone group is shown on the pic.
Where the horizontal axis is "Low price important" and the vertical is "Performance highly valued".

According to the press, Dayton is a brand aimed at the aftermarket only, for drivers wanting value for money on a tyre for every day driving (interpret that yourself!)

The tyre trade describe it as a tyre for those who want something cheaper.

They are enviromentaly friendly and free of toxic "HA-oils".
http://www.ifeh.org/docs/scientificr...toxic_oils.pdf

2003, in a test of un-studded winter tyres by swedsih national television (SVT), a dayton tire came in third place:
(kr being SEK, our currency, each)

1. Gislaved Soft Frost 2 (1 890 kr)
2. Marshal Izen KW15 (1 415 kr)
3. Dayton DW 500 Winter (1 240 kr)
4. Kumho KWN 7401 (1 590 kr)
5. Galaxie MS Q (1 130 kr)
6. Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q (1 750 kr)

[Stizo]

Never heard of Dayton either... But that doesent make them poor winter tyres! look for the date when tehy were manufactured! Old tyres is no good!
I got Nokian WR tyres with SvF 16" alloys!

This tyre is mainly made for "wet german winters" but here in Sthlm we have also 80% of the time slushpuppy winters! hehe

[FWH]

They have been replaced by the dealer now.

[JCBDK]

I'm thinking of ordering a complete set of 17" alloys with winter tires (along with the car itself) in january '08, and I want Continental, Goodyear or something similar. I guess anything is possible, as long as I bring enough cash
I don't like the thought of having bad performing no-name tires on in the winter period.

Edit: Which tires did you get FWH?

[FWH]

Originally Posted by JCBDK

I'm thinking of ordering a complete set of 17" alloys with winter tires (along with the car itself) in january '08, and I want Continental, Goodyear or something similar. I guess anything is possible, as long as I bring enough cash
I don't like the thought of having bad performing no-name tires on in the winter period.

Edit: Which tires did you get FWH?

17" inch winter wheels have been reported to not perform so well on the Civic on this forum.

Generally, you want narrow tyres with resonable ammount of profile in the winter. Look at rally cars!

I got Pirelli tyres, maybe not the best, but much better than the first ones.
Also, looking at the test results of the Pirelli tyres I think they can be well suited to the milder winters we are getting.

[GHGH]

The shape of the contact area against the ground differs between wide and narrower tyres.

Wide tyres make a wide and short contact area.
Narrower tyres make a longer and narrower contact area (logical).

When driving at low friction base (snow, ice), traction is a big issue. The longer imprint of a narrow tyre enhance traction and give better directional stability compared to the short/wide imprint of a wide tyre.

At high friction base (tarmac), friction is high enough to yield good traction even with a shorter imprint. And the wider shape if the wide tyre imprint (together with the stiffer sidewall!) will give you better curve handling, and lower directional stability.

Below is an example of Petter Solberg on snow vs tarmac

[FWH]

Great addition to my simple "look a rally cars"!

[JCBDK]

But the Civic is a spaceship - not a rally car

[GHGH]

But my spaceship got wheels, so maybe it will behave like a car in certain respects

[GHGH]

Originally Posted by FWH

Great addition to my simple "look a rally cars"!

And nice colour! Almost Vivid Blue!

[m4rky]

Hey who are we to argue with advice from Norway when it comes to winter driving

[FWH]

Originally Posted by m4rky

Hey who are we to argue with advice from Norway when it comes to winter driving

Only Norway?

[GHGH]

I let you remind him...

[Cap]

Originally Posted by FWH

17" inch winter wheels have been reported to not perform so well on the Civic on this forum.

Generally, you want narrow tyres with resonable ammount of profile in the winter. Look at rally cars!

I got Pirelli tyres, maybe not the best, but much better than the first ones.
Also, looking at the test results of the Pirelli tyres I think they can be well suited to the milder winters we are getting.

Studless winter tyres are based on friction, wich means the more wheel you have in contact with ground, the more grip you have!
So the fact from old days that narrower tyres have better grip is not as true today as before... Only when youre driving in deep snow wider tyres will have more problems floating on top..

Allso the reason why narrower tyres are used in rally, is because there are rules of how many studs you can have in a tyre, they tend to be more presise in corners and absorbing bumps in the road better

[FWH]

Originally Posted by Cap

Studless winter tyres are based on friction, wich means the more wheel you have in contact with ground, the more grip you have!
So the fact from old days that narrower tyres have better grip is not as true today as before... Only when youre driving in deep snow wider tyres will have more problems floating on top..

Allso the reason why narrower tyres are used in rally, is because there are rules of how many studs you can have in a tyre, they tend to be more presise in corners and absorbing bumps in the road better

The snow point was exactly what I was getting at.

There are also rules on how many studs you can have on road tyres.

[GHGH]

Because of the longer and narrower contact patch shape, narrower tyres give better directional stability which comes in handy on low-friction bases such as ice.