Brakes Rouche Pads... - Page 2

Relic · 18th August 2012, 18:30

They are very OK

Being on the back I wasnt expected much if any difference.
Ermmm.... I was wrong

It would nosedive before until the rears warmed up which took a while.
Now its starts braking hard long before there is any nosedive.
So early signs look really good.
There is much more control and cold bite too.

Its said they work fine on fire

...not sure I will push them that hard yet

coste1l · 18th August 2012, 21:31

So when you getting them for the front?

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Relic · 19th August 2012, 00:17

when the pads have run out

ElNino9 · 19th August 2012, 08:22

That site is a nightmare
Can you see the pads for the 1.4 ??

coste1l · 19th August 2012, 10:21

Arent they the same?

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griffian · 19th August 2012, 13:44

Are the roesch pads to abrasive for plain oem discs or will you need ebc tg ones that are rated to 900 c?

If not they seem a good option - maybe better than the ferodo ds2500??

Is there any break in period for them - special procedure?

Relic · 19th August 2012, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffian

Are the roesch pads to abrasive for plain oem discs or will you need ebc tg ones that are rated to 900 c?

If not they seem a good option - maybe better than the ferodo ds2500??

Is there any break in period for them - special procedure?

The literature says they are non abrasive due to the kevlar used.
Disks should last longer.
The pad material burns off to leave fresh material under use.

EBC are rated to 800c + but any disk with decent metal and a high temp rating (higher than 650c) should be more than adequate.
Read the quote...thats what I put it there for

Dont know what the break in procedure is.
They say its a short, fast break in procedure...so I am using the ds2500 one.

griffian · 19th August 2012, 14:11

Thans mate - I did read it all but I am not convinced, that is why I begged the question.

If they are that good then there will be no need to upgrade to type r calipers discs and pads then - as there is only 12mm difference between the 2.2 and fn2 discs?

It looks like the only definitive answers to the poor brakes are braided hoses, uprated fluid and better break pads such as ds2500 or roesch pads??

coste1l · 19th August 2012, 14:16

i think so, thats why i always advise to go with lines and fluid first

ElNino9 · 19th August 2012, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by coste1l

Arent they the same?

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Rears are the same i think but not the fronts

coste1l · 19th August 2012, 14:19

i thought they were?

stoney · 19th August 2012, 14:20

Isn't that 12mm equal to about 10% increase in surface area though?

coste1l · 19th August 2012, 14:22

just checked ebc's site the part number is the same for the 1.4 and 1.8

griffian · 19th August 2012, 14:23

It may well be mate, What I am saying is that the bigger discs just gets rid of heat better. Overall the better the heat dissipation the better the breaking can be as not all of the pads contacts the disc it is only the piston diameter.

The tyres stop you the brakes just slow down the discs.???

Do't know what to think now lol!

stoney · 19th August 2012, 14:26

Couple of good points there, however , you need to think of the disc and pad as a lever against forward motion, The longer the lever, the less force required, this is how a bigger disc works so I have been told.

griffian · 19th August 2012, 14:32

Yes mate, that is also true - so a roesch pad combined with type r calipers and discs will be even better

stoney · 19th August 2012, 14:33

Hell Yea lol

Comes down to the same thing every time, Budget

Fr0d · 19th August 2012, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffian

Yes mate, that is also true - so a roesch pad combined with type r calipers and discs will be even better

Hmm, I like the sound of that...

/awaits Relic's in-depth incoming review

stoney · 19th August 2012, 15:08

These pads available in evo 6-9 fitment?

Relic · 19th August 2012, 15:38

They do mitsubishi pads.
Cant see evo listed though.
I would only recommend contacting them by email anyway.
You might never get anything otherwise.

18th August 2012, 18:30	#21 (permalink)
Relic Cockup Specialist Thread starter Car: 2007 2.2 Type 'S' GT, Bronze Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: uk Posts: 12,396 Thanks given: 762 Thanked 1,506 Times in 1,319 Posts iTrader: (0)	They are very OK Being on the back I wasnt expected much if any difference. Ermmm.... I was wrong It would nosedive before until the rears warmed up which took a while. Now its starts braking hard long before there is any nosedive. So early signs look really good. There is much more control and cold bite too. Its said they work fine on fire ...not sure I will push them that hard yet Last edited by Relic; 18th August 2012 at 18:32.

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Relic Cockup Specialist Thread starter Car: 2007 2.2 Type 'S' GT, Bronze Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: uk Posts: 12,396 Thanks given: 762 Thanked 1,506 Times in 1,319 Posts iTrader: (0)	when the pads have run out

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coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 18,207 Thanks given: 1,185 Thanked 2,046 Times in 1,931 Posts iTrader: (15)	Arent they the same? Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

19th August 2012, 13:44	#26 (permalink)
griffian Supporter Car: 2007 2.2 i-cdti ES NHB Join Date: 11th April 2009 Location: Ammanford Posts: 1,956 Thanks given: 455 Thanked 106 Times in 99 Posts iTrader: (18)	Are the roesch pads to abrasive for plain oem discs or will you need ebc tg ones that are rated to 900 c? If not they seem a good option - maybe better than the ferodo ds2500?? Is there any break in period for them - special procedure?

19th August 2012, 14:11	#28 (permalink)
griffian Supporter Car: 2007 2.2 i-cdti ES NHB Join Date: 11th April 2009 Location: Ammanford Posts: 1,956 Thanks given: 455 Thanked 106 Times in 99 Posts iTrader: (18)	Thans mate - I did read it all but I am not convinced, that is why I begged the question. If they are that good then there will be no need to upgrade to type r calipers discs and pads then - as there is only 12mm difference between the 2.2 and fn2 discs? It looks like the only definitive answers to the poor brakes are braided hoses, uprated fluid and better break pads such as ds2500 or roesch pads??

19th August 2012, 14:16	#29 (permalink)
coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 18,207 Thanks given: 1,185 Thanked 2,046 Times in 1,931 Posts iTrader: (15)	i think so, thats why i always advise to go with lines and fluid first

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coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 18,207 Thanks given: 1,185 Thanked 2,046 Times in 1,931 Posts iTrader: (15)	i thought they were?

19th August 2012, 14:20	#32 (permalink)
stoney Supporter Car: 2007 FN2 GT Join Date: 24th March 2010 Location: lisburn Posts: 7,502 Thanks given: 167 Thanked 1,138 Times in 968 Posts iTrader: (9)	Isn't that 12mm equal to about 10% increase in surface area though?

19th August 2012, 14:22	#33 (permalink)
coste1l Supporter Car: 09 Suzuki Swift Sport white Join Date: 16th January 2010 Location: Sunderland UK Posts: 18,207 Thanks given: 1,185 Thanked 2,046 Times in 1,931 Posts iTrader: (15)	just checked ebc's site the part number is the same for the 1.4 and 1.8

19th August 2012, 14:23	#34 (permalink)
griffian Supporter Car: 2007 2.2 i-cdti ES NHB Join Date: 11th April 2009 Location: Ammanford Posts: 1,956 Thanks given: 455 Thanked 106 Times in 99 Posts iTrader: (18)	It may well be mate, What I am saying is that the bigger discs just gets rid of heat better. Overall the better the heat dissipation the better the breaking can be as not all of the pads contacts the disc it is only the piston diameter. The tyres stop you the brakes just slow down the discs.??? Do't know what to think now lol!

19th August 2012, 14:26	#35 (permalink)
stoney Supporter Car: 2007 FN2 GT Join Date: 24th March 2010 Location: lisburn Posts: 7,502 Thanks given: 167 Thanked 1,138 Times in 968 Posts iTrader: (9)	Couple of good points there, however , you need to think of the disc and pad as a lever against forward motion, The longer the lever, the less force required, this is how a bigger disc works so I have been told.

19th August 2012, 14:32	#36 (permalink)
griffian Supporter Car: 2007 2.2 i-cdti ES NHB Join Date: 11th April 2009 Location: Ammanford Posts: 1,956 Thanks given: 455 Thanked 106 Times in 99 Posts iTrader: (18)	Yes mate, that is also true - so a roesch pad combined with type r calipers and discs will be even better

19th August 2012, 14:33	#37 (permalink)
stoney Supporter Car: 2007 FN2 GT Join Date: 24th March 2010 Location: lisburn Posts: 7,502 Thanks given: 167 Thanked 1,138 Times in 968 Posts iTrader: (9)	Hell Yea lol Comes down to the same thing every time, Budget

19th August 2012, 15:08	#39 (permalink)
stoney Supporter Car: 2007 FN2 GT Join Date: 24th March 2010 Location: lisburn Posts: 7,502 Thanks given: 167 Thanked 1,138 Times in 968 Posts iTrader: (9)	These pads available in evo 6-9 fitment?

19th August 2012, 15:38	#40 (permalink)
Relic Cockup Specialist Thread starter Car: 2007 2.2 Type 'S' GT, Bronze Join Date: 31st August 2009 Location: uk Posts: 12,396 Thanks given: 762 Thanked 1,506 Times in 1,319 Posts iTrader: (0)	They do mitsubishi pads. Cant see evo listed though. I would only recommend contacting them by email anyway. You might never get anything otherwise.