Suspension Fn2 ride quality? - Page 3

dannyd2134 · 16th September 2012, 09:56

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Originally Posted by emisus

scottt; eibach springs, frs and changing the tyres (conti sport2) made a whole lot of difference to my fn2... so try that and the next level is going to smaller wheels...
cheers

Tbh, this car isn't a peugeot or saxo.

Imo if you wanna improve the cars handling, then purchase coilovers. Purchase spoon rigid collars and get an frs.

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Relic · 16th September 2012, 11:32

Sit on a cushion ?

emisus · 16th September 2012, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyd2134

Tbh, this car isn't a peugeot or saxo.

Imo if you wanna improve the cars handling, then purchase coilovers. Purchase spoon rigid collars and get an frs.

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Yes, but i don't think hes searching for handling improvment..rather to soften the ride a bit without losing handling ability

dannyd2134 · 16th September 2012, 21:10

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Originally Posted by emisus

Yes, but i don't think hes searching for handling improvment..rather to soften the ride a bit without losing handling ability

Sorry but thats impossible to soften when you lower a car as you're reducing the travel of the shock absorber.

You wont be able to soften the ride in this car by changing the springs, as previously said. This has been made with performance in mind, not a luxurious cruiser.

When you soften suspension without coilovers there is no compromise between looks and ride, atleast with coilovers you can keep standard ride height and adjust how soft or hard you want the ride whilst improving handling.

Lowering springs are for looks simple as that.

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miki_st · 27th September 2012, 20:38

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Originally Posted by dannyd2134

Lowering springs are for looks simple as that.

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The "crashy ride" on Civ is gone, but the car is firmer on Eibachs

The tyres are a solution for improving ride, on my FK2 the 5 year old michelin (season tyre) are rough as hell on city streets, the other season tyre Yokohama are superb for ride quality.

Booboo · 27th September 2012, 20:55

My Mrs isn't too keen on the ride in my CTR. Over speed bumps there is no bounce after, not one. But this is out weighed when I get out & about on the twistes & can whip round a round-about like a car on the 'Wild Mouse' a Blackpool!

My be the OP should consider one of these?

Forbidden8701 · 28th September 2012, 23:52

Buy some EP Civic sport wheels and paint them flat black. You'll have a much more comfortable car and it will be quieter in the cabin too.

C.B · 2nd October 2012, 13:13

I think the ride is atrocious cant believe you lot are defending it, I have had a number of hot hatches ep3, Gti, ST, Megane RS and the ride on the FN2 is by far the worst I personally would struggle to do a long journey sat in the back.

It was contemplating getting rid for the first 6 months because of the ride but the springs made it cope-able and I think I have just got used now as it doesnt bother me any more unless its a bad road

Flipt · 2nd October 2012, 21:03

When I bought my car I had to drive back up the A1 for about 65miles. When I got home I had awful back ache and it took a while to get used to the ride. I more used to it now, and I think 15mm eibachs will be on the horizon

J. Derek Riddell · 2nd October 2012, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Flipt

When I bought my car I had to drive back up the A1 for about 65miles. When I got home I had awful back ache and it took a while to get used to the ride. I more used to it now, and I think 15mm eibachs will be on the horizon

ALL Civics have the same crap type of 'linear' springs - the Eibachs are 'progressive' and are much nicer

Plus, the poor wheel alignment issue, means that you get some noise / vibration / 'erraticness' that you may not be clear about - a full "FRS" will sort that

leigh · 2nd October 2012, 21:36

I had the Tein springs and FRS and it did improve the comfort levels and reduce the crashiness. Main thing was the improved handling due to the FRS. I wouldn't of gone 30mm, should of gone 15mm.

I've been really happy with that setup, but have recently started to change the setup now and had the Spoon rigid collar kit fitted and in next few weeks fitting full polybush kit and a set of buddyclub P1 coilovers racing spec dampers.

I aren't doing this for the ride comfort it's all about the handling for me and at the end of the day whatever you fit its going be a firm ride lol

Forbidden8701 · 2nd October 2012, 23:33

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Originally Posted by C.B

I think the ride is atrocious cant believe you lot are defending it, I have had a number of hot hatches ep3, Gti, ST, Megane RS and the ride on the FN2 is by far the worst I personally would struggle to do a long journey sat in the back.

It was contemplating getting rid for the first 6 months because of the ride but the springs made it cope-able and I think I have just got used now as it doesnt bother me any more unless its a bad road

It is pretty bad to be fair. Its a real shame considering its the cars only real downside. Having said that the ride quality of an Astra VXR with IDS I sat in recently was horrendous. I do wonder sometimes if they actually tested the FN2 in the UK at all?

RevMonkey · 3rd October 2012, 00:04

The ride does suck but it makes up for it in other ways

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Booboo · 3rd October 2012, 06:25

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Originally Posted by Forbidden8701

Having said that the ride quality of an Astra VXR with IDS I sat in recently was horrendous. I do wonder sometimes if they actually tested the FN2 in the UK at all?

I had an Astra CDTi Sri with IDS & I thought the ride was great soft when needed over the speed bumps & pot holes Then firmed up nicely when the sports button was pressed.
Expensive when it went wrong though!

Derek Fenech · 3rd October 2012, 13:57

Where is the best place to get the 15mm Eibachs for the Diesel?

s18fty225 · 11th December 2012, 17:29

so to make fn2 type r more comfortabable, i should buy -15mm eibachs and frs. would fitting bigger tyres to standard 18,s be ok to do?

fourthdisciple · 11th December 2012, 17:34

15mm eibach and frs make a massive difference to the ride comfort ,the ride is still firm but more supple and less crashy over bumps ,and it will improve the all round handling and feeling of the car .

leigh · 11th December 2012, 18:07

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Originally Posted by s18fty225

so to make fn2 type r more comfortabable, i should buy -15mm eibachs and frs. would fitting bigger tyres to standard 18,s be ok to do?

The FRS won't make a difference to comfort, that improves the handling and if done right can transform how the car corners. The Eibach or Tein springs will improve ride comfort and make car less crashy.

If money is not a problem then I would skip the springs and fit a good quality coilover kit with FRS, which is what I've done now and the comfort is amazing and the crashy ride is completely gone along with superior handling compared to before.

I also wouldn't recommend putting higher profile tires on the 18's especially with lowering the car as you could get rubbing, if you want bigger tyres for comfort then I suggest fitting 17 inch alloys then you can have a 45 profile instead of the 40 you have on 18 inch.

EdTypeR · 11th December 2012, 18:59

Plus 1 for 15mm Eibachs. Despite the naysayers, they really do make a dramatic difference to the ride. Even if they technically have "less" suspension travel it feels as if the car has twice as much as the original springs. The crashes and jiggles at low speed are largely eliminated, and at higher speed the car tracks the surface of the road rather than being bounced off bumps and thrown around a lot.

On tyres check your pressures, Tdi South recommended 32 psi for their FRSU, over 34 psi (front) in the handbook which also improves the ride, and lastly see what the condition of your tyres is like. Ironically, the springs and FRSU highlighted the poor conditon of my tyres which were cracked in between the treads and rock hard - changing them for new rubber made another significant improvement to the ride not to mention vastly better handling.

Some tyre brands feel more supple than others, Bridgestone for example I find are quite stiff compared to Goodyears or Dunlops.

With tyre profiles remember that the 40 or 45 refers to the % of the overall width, not mm so dropping a tyre size may also reduce the width and you'll end up with virtually the same actual tyre depth 40% of 225 and 45% of 205 is near as makes no difference the same.

I bought my CTR recently and thought I had made a huge mistake when I drove the car on some bumpy back roads. 15mm Eibachs, FRSU, new tyres and slightly lower pressures have transformed the car. The ride no longer dominates the driving experience.

Jeza · 11th December 2012, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Derek Fenech

Where is the best place to get the 15mm Eibachs for the Diesel?

You need 25mm their aren't 15mm Ctr owners just say 15mm cause the Ctr is already 10mm lower than other 8Gen Civics. If that makes any sense to you?

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Forbidden8701 Supporter Car: FN2 CTR GT Join Date: 26th May 2010 Location: Heckmondwike Posts: 978 Thanks given: 17 Thanked 63 Times in 56 Posts iTrader: (2)	Buy some EP Civic sport wheels and paint them flat black. You'll have a much more comfortable car and it will be quieter in the cabin too.

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C.B UKDM Car: 2007 CTR NHB GT Join Date: 13th April 2011 Location: North West (petrol station) Posts: 578 Thanks given: 26 Thanked 31 Times in 29 Posts iTrader: (2)	I think the ride is atrocious cant believe you lot are defending it, I have had a number of hot hatches ep3, Gti, ST, Megane RS and the ride on the FN2 is by far the worst I personally would struggle to do a long journey sat in the back. It was contemplating getting rid for the first 6 months because of the ride but the springs made it cope-able and I think I have just got used now as it doesnt bother me any more unless its a bad road

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Flipt Urban Parkour Monkey Car: 2009 CTR GT, Milano Red Join Date: 29th May 2012 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 366 Thanks given: 50 Thanked 34 Times in 32 Posts iTrader: (6)	When I bought my car I had to drive back up the A1 for about 65miles. When I got home I had awful back ache and it took a while to get used to the ride. I more used to it now, and I think 15mm eibachs will be on the horizon

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leigh Supporter Car: 2009 CW CTR Join Date: 5th August 2011 Location: Stoke on Trent Posts: 1,860 Thanks given: 464 Thanked 277 Times in 254 Posts iTrader: (39)	I had the Tein springs and FRS and it did improve the comfort levels and reduce the crashiness. Main thing was the improved handling due to the FRS. I wouldn't of gone 30mm, should of gone 15mm. I've been really happy with that setup, but have recently started to change the setup now and had the Spoon rigid collar kit fitted and in next few weeks fitting full polybush kit and a set of buddyclub P1 coilovers racing spec dampers. I aren't doing this for the ride comfort it's all about the handling for me and at the end of the day whatever you fit its going be a firm ride lol

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EdTypeR On the sofa Car: '59 CTR - Milano Red Join Date: 13th November 2012 Location: Herts Posts: 154 Thanks given: 25 Thanked 41 Times in 36 Posts iTrader: (2)	Plus 1 for 15mm Eibachs. Despite the naysayers, they really do make a dramatic difference to the ride. Even if they technically have "less" suspension travel it feels as if the car has twice as much as the original springs. The crashes and jiggles at low speed are largely eliminated, and at higher speed the car tracks the surface of the road rather than being bounced off bumps and thrown around a lot. On tyres check your pressures, Tdi South recommended 32 psi for their FRSU, over 34 psi (front) in the handbook which also improves the ride, and lastly see what the condition of your tyres is like. Ironically, the springs and FRSU highlighted the poor conditon of my tyres which were cracked in between the treads and rock hard - changing them for new rubber made another significant improvement to the ride not to mention vastly better handling. Some tyre brands feel more supple than others, Bridgestone for example I find are quite stiff compared to Goodyears or Dunlops. With tyre profiles remember that the 40 or 45 refers to the % of the overall width, not mm so dropping a tyre size may also reduce the width and you'll end up with virtually the same actual tyre depth 40% of 225 and 45% of 205 is near as makes no difference the same. I bought my CTR recently and thought I had made a huge mistake when I drove the car on some bumpy back roads. 15mm Eibachs, FRSU, new tyres and slightly lower pressures have transformed the car. The ride no longer dominates the driving experience.