Running in - Page 2

domingo · 30th June 2007, 14:03

Cool, well I'll let you know how I get on next week with this method of running in. Not sure about how much comparison we can make between how the diesel and petrol engines will fair though?

Pottsy · 30th June 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by domingo

Pottsy, you mentioned you should never let the engine idle, Why is that?
Lots of people leave there engines running for 5mins or so on a cold morning.

Because a cold engine wears quicker, and gentle driving warms the engine much faster than an idling engine. It applies to both new and run in.

It won't be the end of the world to leave it idling when cold, it's just not a good habit (especially in the diesel, which barely warms up at all at idle).

FWH · 30th June 2007, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Pottsy

Because a cold engine wears quicker, and gentle driving warms the engine much faster than an idling engine. It applies to both new and run in.

It won't be the end of the world to leave it idling when cold, it's just not a good habit (especially in the diesel, which barely warms up at all at idle).

Would reving the engine on a stationary car to 2-3k help or does it need to be driven to heat up better?

Pottsy · 30th June 2007, 16:42

Revving it when cold is even worse. There's no load on the engine to warm it up, but lots of movement to wear it out! Driving it will put a medium load on at lowish revs, and it's this combination that provides fastest warm up with minimum movement.

FWH · 30th June 2007, 22:18

So then I won´t do that...
In pre-historic days of carburettors and chokes I would let my car run on full choke at 3k rpm while scraping the ice off the windows in the winter.

binchy · 15th August 2007, 13:19

Doesnt look like im going to be able to run my Civic in afterall. Its currently at a dealers in London (dont ask, its a company car so had no control) and they are meant to be bringing it up to Sheffield on Monday.

Although I think they mean some spotty little mechanic is going to get behind the wheel and thrash it all the way up the M1 to my Office. They said they would look to get it transported, but if they cant then it will already have 000s of miles on the clock.

Cap · 16th August 2007, 10:13

Allso note what they state in mototuneusa.com:

Changing oil after the first 20miles/30km, and no syntetic motoroil the first 1500miles/2400km...

Pottsy · 16th August 2007, 10:38

I've popped it a lump of text from the best text book I had when I was building race engines.

anar · 27th August 2007, 15:25

For those interested I used this method to run in my 7 days old Type R. It has now gone for 2200km and the oil level is still as high as it was in the beginning, which is a good sign that it doesn't "leak" too much into the engine.

I plan on changing to new oil asap tho, bought some at Rosenholtz here in Sweden. I also plan on changing the oil filter, but when I first looked for it I couldnt find it so im giving it another go this weak now that I know where to look (behind the engine)

Cap · 27th August 2007, 16:00

BTW, i heard they run all cars on the track for one or two hours from the factory to test everything... I wonder if thats correct, but the productmanager of Honda Norway said so... If true it means the engine has allready done some 100-200km from factory!? And had one oilchange aswell...

FWH · 27th August 2007, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Cap

BTW, i heard they run all cars on the track for one or two hours from the factory to test everything... I wonder if thats correct, but the productmanager of Honda Norway said so... If true it means the engine has allready done some 100-200km from factory!?

Reliable (I presume) inside source on this forum has informed us that this is not the case.

They do run them up and down and old airfield, but hardly 1-2 hours.
Look at the mileage on a new car... it is not 100-200km!

Cap · 27th August 2007, 18:21

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Originally Posted by FWH

Reliable (I presume) inside source on this forum has informed us that this is not the case.

They do run them up and down and old airfield, but hardly 1-2 hours.
Look at the mileage on a new car... it is not 100-200km!

Thats what i said aswell, but still they were quite sure in their case... I dunno...

FWH · 27th August 2007, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Cap

Thats what i said aswell, but still they were quite sure in their case... I dunno...

Send them the link to this forum and we will have a word with them.

anar · 27th August 2007, 18:57

Yeah, this very wiki article says that this is a "myth". I have no idea how reliable this wiki article is but im assuming its correct

FWH · 27th August 2007, 19:03

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Originally Posted by anar

Yeah, this very wiki article says that this is a "myth". I have no idea how reliable this wiki article is but im assuming its correct

Apart from the wiki, an ex-employee of the Swindon plant gave a detailed description of how the cars are run in one of the threads:
Gentle miles

Cap · 27th August 2007, 19:09

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Originally Posted by FWH

Apart from the wiki, an ex-employee of the Swindon plant gave a detailed description of how the cars are run in one of the threads:
Gentle miles

Yes i know Pottsy, but i would really like to have this confirmed, as the productmanager for Honda Europe here told me so, and that should allso be quite reliable source?!

Maybe the engines are runned in Japan if they come as a whole unit to GB for assembly?

FWH · 27th August 2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Cap

Yes i know Pottsy, but i would really like to have this confirmed, as the productmanager for Honda Europe here told me so, and that should allso be quite reliable source?!

He is a guy who wants to sell you a car.
Need I say more?

And the post I linked to was by Greedy not Pottsy.

Cap · 27th August 2007, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

He is a guy who wants to sell you a car.
Need I say more?

It had nothing to do with selling, i allready ordered it before i asked the question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWH

And the post I linked to was by Greedy not Pottsy?

Sorry i was in that debate, just mixed you and Pottsy up

Pottsy · 27th August 2007, 22:14

Two people, both working in the plant on engines, have told me what happens - and it's exactly as Greedy posted (he also worked there). Most are just assembled, some are tested for quality control. All cars are tested when made by a short run.

There's no pre-running in, nor power runs on test beds, nor anything. I think the Norwegian product manager has been eating too much brown cheese!

GHGH · 28th August 2007, 05:56

Or maybe he believes Cap already has done just that

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30th June 2007, 14:03	#21 (permalink)
domingo Supporter Wheelnut Join Date: 23rd June 2007 Location: Camberley Posts: 66	Cool, well I'll let you know how I get on next week with this method of running in. Not sure about how much comparison we can make between how the diesel and petrol engines will fair though?

30th June 2007, 16:42	#24 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 9th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,333	Revving it when cold is even worse. There's no load on the engine to warm it up, but lots of movement to wear it out! Driving it will put a medium load on at lowish revs, and it's this combination that provides fastest warm up with minimum movement.

30th June 2007, 22:18	#25 (permalink)
FWH Super Moderator Civinfo guru Join Date: 3rd June 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,174	So then I won´t do that... In pre-historic days of carburettors and chokes I would let my car run on full choke at 3k rpm while scraping the ice off the windows in the winter.

15th August 2007, 13:19	#26 (permalink)
binchy Locking Wheelnut Join Date: 13th June 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 116	Doesnt look like im going to be able to run my Civic in afterall. Its currently at a dealers in London (dont ask, its a company car so had no control) and they are meant to be bringing it up to Sheffield on Monday. Although I think they mean some spotty little mechanic is going to get behind the wheel and thrash it all the way up the M1 to my Office. They said they would look to get it transported, but if they cant then it will already have 000s of miles on the clock.

16th August 2007, 10:13	#27 (permalink)
Cap Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th August 2007 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 231	Allso note what they state in mototuneusa.com: Changing oil after the first 20miles/30km, and no syntetic motoroil the first 1500miles/2400km...

16th August 2007, 10:38	#28 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 9th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,333	I've popped it a lump of text from the best text book I had when I was building race engines.

27th August 2007, 15:25	#29 (permalink)
anar Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd August 2007 Posts: 31	For those interested I used this method to run in my 7 days old Type R. It has now gone for 2200km and the oil level is still as high as it was in the beginning, which is a good sign that it doesn't "leak" too much into the engine. I plan on changing to new oil asap tho, bought some at Rosenholtz here in Sweden. I also plan on changing the oil filter, but when I first looked for it I couldnt find it so im giving it another go this weak now that I know where to look (behind the engine)

27th August 2007, 16:00	#30 (permalink)
Cap Triangular Exhaust Join Date: 8th August 2007 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 231	BTW, i heard they run all cars on the track for one or two hours from the factory to test everything... I wonder if thats correct, but the productmanager of Honda Norway said so... If true it means the engine has allready done some 100-200km from factory!? And had one oilchange aswell...

27th August 2007, 18:57	#34 (permalink)
anar Valve Cap Join Date: 23rd August 2007 Posts: 31	Yeah, this very wiki article says that this is a "myth". I have no idea how reliable this wiki article is but im assuming its correct

27th August 2007, 22:14	#39 (permalink)
Pottsy Administrator Civinfo guru Join Date: 9th April 2006 Location: Leics Posts: 4,333	Two people, both working in the plant on engines, have told me what happens - and it's exactly as Greedy posted (he also worked there). Most are just assembled, some are tested for quality control. All cars are tested when made by a short run. There's no pre-running in, nor power runs on test beds, nor anything. I think the Norwegian product manager has been eating too much brown cheese!

28th August 2007, 05:56	#40 (permalink)
GHGH Supporter Magic Rear Seat Join Date: 13th March 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 847	Or maybe he believes Cap already has done just that