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post #6261 of 6302 (permalink) Old 22nd April 2019, 15:41
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Good point, unless he meant the other way by saving Honda money every 25k with owners on the package deal
He did say the variable service reminder is once again causing mass confusion and a fair few oil services, probably Honda have realised the loss on servicing the type R
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well, car felt sublime tonight. like properly good. smooth, connected, effortless. weirdly good.


problem is, i dont think it's ever felt this good and it's a bit worrying. twin-plate clutch has been feeling more like OEM over the last few weeks when it should feel a bit more agressive and snappy. Slight judder in first if you dont give it enough revs, to few revs and it bogs down due to flywheel weight. Too quick engaingement and you'll stall it. Found myself using just the clutch pedal at idle revs in stop start traffic.

shifts were buttery smooth. nothing like the typeR is. more standard car.

the various mods i've done have been somewhat calculated in the aim for both a daily but more agressive and raw feel. Acuity bushes should make shifting feel more mechanical, clutch should feel snappy and sharp. cup2 tyres make it feel sharp.


aint it strange how the car can feel so different day to day.
Yesterday, if you threw me in a fast caterham or (preferably) an Atom, the FK2 would have been up for sale or begging to swap. today i'm feeling the love a bit more and tbh it's just what i need with the car right now. Turning into a love/hate relationship with it recently even if most of it has been my own doing.


Hasport 70a engine stabiliser mount due in around 2weeks but hopefully sooner as it's all shipping times from the states. thats one mod i'm really looking forward to as the thing i've always thought the car could do with is that slight lower seat vibration at idle to let you know your in something with a bit of grunt. also many claims they stop wheel hop when giving it the beans from junctions and reduces TCS willingness to kick in.
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where did you order it from in the end?
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Typical HUK reply,

Thank you for contacting Honda UK.

In order for us to be able to look into your FK2 Type R enquiry in more detail, please provide us with the reg. plate and VIN of your vehicle, the Honda dealerships involved and approximate mileage on the vehicle.

After receiving your query, our Customer Relations team in Bracknell will give you an answer within five business days.

Replied saying I'm not making a complaint I just wanted clarification over the FK2 & FK8 and their contradiction on their service sheet
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where did you order it from in the end?
h-tune
seems hasport website wont ship outside of USA else i would've bought direct, so stumbled across htune for a UK source.
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Typical HUK reply,

Thank you for contacting Honda UK.

In order for us to be able to look into your FK2 Type R enquiry in more detail, please provide us with the reg. plate and VIN of your vehicle, the Honda dealerships involved and approximate mileage on the vehicle.

After receiving your query, our Customer Relations team in Bracknell will give you an answer within five business days.

Replied saying I'm not making a complaint I just wanted clarification over the FK2 & FK8 and their contradiction on their service sheet
might as well of given you no reply. clowns.
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Seriously don't get why a simple question has to be so difficult with HUK,

Thank you for contacting Honda UK.



Please accept our apologies for the misunderstanding. This was not going to be forwarded as a complaint, but as an official enquiry. The details that were requested would be necessary for our Customer Relations team, so that they can carry out their investigation.



So with this in mind, please provide us with the reg. plate, VIN of your vehicle, Honda dealerships involved and approximate mileage on the vehicle.



After receiving your query, our Customer Relations team in Bracknell will give you an answer within five business days.



Thank you in advance.

Not even going to reply, they really do baffle me
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greeeatt... if it's not the car, it's tools! my 2.5yr old jack is dead and wont take the weight of the ctr before releasing pressure.
it's SGS's 1.5ton aluminium jack so not happy at all for £100+. lasted a fraction of the time my hellfrauds one did at £30 or whatever their normal one is.


do the cheap ones fit under the car properly or am i destined for a low profile one? seems to be the body itself that wont fit under rather than the pad point.


edit: After looking at the SGS for it's fault, seems to be a buggered relief valve. fine on low pressure, but weight of car on it would just let the fluid past and not hold. Looks like the lock valve is worn. Ended up down halfords for their 2ton low profile jack. £50. easier, lighter and cheaper than the SGS it replaced.

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I've never had much luck with aluminium ones, went through 3 or 4 different ones in like 5 years. now on a Draper professional and seems to be doing ok, noticed halfords are now selling a low profile all black one but not sure if its any good
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My 13 year old Aldi jack is still going strong, never used it on the R but its still happily lifting my old focus not bad going seeing as it only cost around £20 back then
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i've a feeling the normal jack is fine when doing one corner, but if you need the entire car up then it might be a problem. I tend to only use the sill jack points for the axle stands and use other locations for the jack. Easiest way i've found so far when needing 4 corners up, is to get the rear on ramps, jack front up from front subframe tow point (no damage, been doing it for 2-3 years) and axle stand under the front sill points. rear gets jacked up under the spring mount, place axle stands, remove ramps and car is up on all 4 stands. nice 'n' solid with no movement.


that front subframe point is a bit tight with jack height even with the SGS @ 133mm iirc. £50 halfords low profile is 145mm or something so should be doable. standard jack height likely wont physically fit without faffing about by driving onto blocks of wood and most likely why i got rid of it when i bought the CTR.


plus side, i've eliminated one possibility with the knocking - removed driver side roll bar link as symptoms were just a bit too close to a worn link bar. Confirmed it's not that so onwards with the wait for the much stiffer HAsport engine stabiliser mount and back to the original diagnostic of engine torque causing the engine to move and knock on subframe. Mount has a new ETA of 15th May (20-25days ETA) rather than the 10-15days when i originally purchased. hopefully the boat from 'merica is early. I'll rebook my service on the 10th till after the mount arrives and fitted so if any remaining knocking exists I'll get them to look while it's in for service. There's really no more i can do with it at home to locate if it's not that.
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Seriously don't get why a simple question has to be so difficult with HUK,

Thank you for contacting Honda UK.



Please accept our apologies for the misunderstanding. This was not going to be forwarded as a complaint, but as an official enquiry. The details that were requested would be necessary for our Customer Relations team, so that they can carry out their investigation.



So with this in mind, please provide us with the reg. plate, VIN of your vehicle, Honda dealerships involved and approximate mileage on the vehicle.



After receiving your query, our Customer Relations team in Bracknell will give you an answer within five business days.



Thank you in advance.

Not even going to reply, they really do baffle me
I spent ages trying to work out when and if my valves needed checking for the 2 year service (it was on 12K miles at that point). After an email enquiry (which resulted in an automated apology response) I called HUK. They tried to put me through to my local dealer but I stated I wanted the information from them. We went back and forth - I asked why different dealers said different things and they stood firm that they all have the correct servicing information. When I asked for a copy of this information they said they would need to escalate the call in order to get that information sent to me.

A few days later I got a mail giving me my local dealer contact information and to contact them!! You couldn't make it up could you.

In the meantime I had persuaded my local dealer to check them as part of the 2 year service which they did. Prior to the car going in to the dealers I called the garage where I get my FN2 serviced and asked them if they could pull the information on the FK2 servicing for me. They (as do most garages I imagine) subscribe to a provider that not only gives you all of the work that needs doing for each and every OEM service but also the length of time it should take to do the job. They told me that the official Honda stance is to do them at 25K miles, so I got mine done as part of the 2 year/25K service.

This info could have changed by now of course!

I really don't get why it is so difficult to get this info, drives me mad!
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whole thing is like chinese whispers. very poor show. whats worse is it's alienated the feel of a new car. you simply dont get these headaches with used cars as they follow the service book.
actually, that might be interesting one to try. if we've been retrospectively adjusted, shouldn't we be given a revised service book checklist both for our own records and future servicing requirements? should we move between dealers, or even to a specialist, some may think valve clearances have been done at the 3yr service, when others wont do it till whatever the 72k mileage is (6yr?)
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All I wanted was an answer on why 2 identical engines have different valve service schedules and I don't get why they couldn't just hand that info over to the correct department,
Reason I don't want to hand details over to them is I know it will end up being an official inquiry and they always contact the dealer and pass the blame, which then causes issues between the dealer and customer.
Apart from this confusion I have a good relationship with the dealer and don't want to ruin it,
@WeHaveLiftOff does your service tick sheet have the new added 2017 inc Type R on the Valve inspection section,

I'll try again to get a side by side picture with last years, for some reason the camera can't pick up the print
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The new service sheet with added 2017 CTR:

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Just been to get the service sheet out of the car and it is attached.

It does seem on here to say every 25K regardless of age. What I do find interesting though is that is says Type R (All) 25K, despite the fact the FN2 wasn't meant to need it until 65K!
It then says new Civic models 2017 onwards including Type R (therefore FK8), every 75K. All seems rather confused.

Also note that even with a mileage of 12,731 the valves on my car were adjusted. Make of that what you will.

So, for the FK2 I'm going with every 25K although given mine was done at 12.7K (and adjusted) not sure I want to leave it another 25K!!

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Just been to get the service sheet out of the car and it is attached.

It does seem on here to say every 25K regardless of age. What I do find interesting though is that is says Type R (All) 25K, despite the fact the FN2 wasn't meant to need it until 65K!
It then says new Civic models 2017 onwards including Type R (therefore FK8), every 75K. All seems rather confused.

Also note that even with a mileage of 12,731 the valves on my car were adjusted. Make of that what you will.

So, for the FK2 I'm going with every 25K although given mine was done at 12.7K (and adjusted) not sure I want to leave it another 25K!!

Hope this helps.
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That's what me and the dealer meant by the contradiction, ALL Type R's 25k but then ends with 2017 inc Type R 75k, same engine yet such differences.

Either Honda don't realise the error or once again they've forgotten that they had a car called the FK2,
I'm guessing a bit of both because that sheet hasn't been updated since 2016
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Workmate rocked up to work in a blue Fk this morning parked next to mine
He did the same with the Fn2, has a tendency to buy over priced CAT cars, I think it was the blue one on EBay CAT S or D
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It even says New Model Civic 2017 onwards. I don't see what the confusion is. An FK2 isn't the new model Civic.

It might be the same engine. It may be that they've changed parts of the valve train or how it is assembled meaning they are happy with 75k whereas on the FK2 they aren't.

Still doesn't excuse the cloak and dagger act from honda HQ.
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