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Been thinking of maybe getting a project car to mess about with and to get some hands on experience working on it. I just dont know what to get...

Options I've come up with so car:

Golf III VR6
Civic EG
Really old suburu impreza
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something under 1000quid, dont want anything thats over a grand and over 200k miles... anyone got anything else?
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The BMW is always a good option, if you look at the E36, they're good engines, easy to work on and parts are easily avaliable. The Golf is also good one, as it has cult following (all VW has.....) so plenty of info available

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The BMW is always a good option, if you look at the E36, they're good engines, easy to work on and parts are easily avaliable. The Golf is also good one, as it has cult following (all VW has.....) so plenty of info available

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Im leaning more towards the VR6 or the Mk 2 GTI... Just need to find a decent beater... probably wont happen... but I may just start taking apart the Shelby Cobra in my dads back garden
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I'd look for "something completely different" ...

Also, something that has readily available (as Tom said) and cheap parts ...

No point in adding £2000 of parts to a £1000 'beater' ! ...

Start by trawling all the newspaper 'For Sale' ads for ideas ...

Original Mini (seem to be a few on eBay) ? ...

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Well the people my dad rents his house off have a 1967 Shelby Cobra in bits in the back garden which I could probably buy off of them but at what cost... things worth quite abit even in parts.

My friend may want to see his turbo'd celica for 500quid... runs but only on 3 cylinders at the moment, easy spark plug fix. Needs work done but for 500 a bargain...
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Well the people my dad rents his house off have a 1967 Shelby Cobra in bits in the back garden which I could probably buy off of them but at what cost... things worth quite abit even in parts.

My friend may want to see his turbo'd celica for 500quid... runs but only on 3 cylinders at the moment, easy spark plug fix. Needs work done but for 500 a bargain...
You could certainly sell the parts - but - price totally dictated by their condition - ditto buying the junker itself ...

Restoring that car - just to legal \ roadworthy \ driveable standard - would cost many 10s of £000s ! ...

Celica ? - if it's just a spark plug, why hasn't your mate changed it ? ...

It could be a cracked head, burned valves worn \ damaged piston rings, etc. - plus - there's there's ALL the electronics on a modern car, very little of which you can fix yourself ...

That's why I suggested an "old technology" car - the original Mini - easy to work on, all parts (including body parts) readily and cheaply available - no electronic \ smart systems, and an absolute hoot to drive (the 1300 cc unit pushes out about 90 BHP standard, but is very easily and cheaply uprated ...
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the MK2 golf with a VR6 engine is a good mod, fast too and also pretty rare, is almost in kind almost with the 'old tech' JDR proposes...2.8 V6 yum!

You already own a Civ, stay away from the Sub and why would you bother with a BM when the VDubya has a much better following...I reckon thats where you would learn and love more!
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mind you that CObra would be worth a challenge, the bigger the challenge the greater the reward...who cares how long it takes...think F&F man! lol
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the MK2 golf with a VR6 engine is a good mod, fast too and also pretty rare, is almost in kind almost with the 'old tech' JDR proposes...2.8 V6 yum! You already own a Civ, stay away from the Sub and why would you bother with a BM when the VDubya has a much better following...I reckon thats where you would learn and love more!
Problem with that G*** (swear filter !) is that mechanical parts aren't cheap - also, your very first "fixer-up" should be as simple as possible ...

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mind you that Cbra would be worth a challenge, the bigger the challenge the greater the reward...who cares how long it takes...think F&F man! lol
Well, it's probably been untouched for decades - [onweed] would need a well \ fully equipped garage, about (guessing) £50,000, and (doing it part-time) about 5 years ! ...

However, if he was prepared to look into it, the idea of buying it and selling it on "as-is" could make him some money (the States is the big market ?), and get his own project off to a well-funded start ...
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You could certainly sell the parts - but - price totally dictated by their condition - ditto buying the junker itself ...

Restoring that car - just to legal \ roadworthy \ driveable standard - would cost many 10s of £000s ! ...

Celica ? - if it's just a spark plug, why hasn't your mate changed it ? ...

It could be a cracked head, burned valves worn \ damaged piston rings, etc. - plus - there's there's ALL the electronics on a modern car, very little of which you can fix yourself ...

That's why I suggested an "old technology" car - the original Mini - easy to work on, all parts (including body parts) readily and cheaply available - no electronic \ smart systems, and an absolute hoot to drive (the 1300 cc unit pushes out about 90 BHP standard, but is very easily and cheaply uprated ...
28k euro to fully restore the cobra to showroom condition, motor and all.

The celica is only a spark plug, its his beater, its been beaten around and ragged but it really is only the sparkplug. He hasnt changed it as he cannot BFG (Army regulations for registering cars in germany) because it doesnt have european lights so he hasnt bothered fixing it. If I got it I'd trailor it to my dads and leave it there and work on it when I get time. My dad is fairly mechanical so gives us something to do

Minis dont really appeal to me...
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Minis dont really appeal to me...
Many years ago, I was in a race-prepped \ modified original 1300cc Mini - 150 BHP in something that weighed about 800kg when wet - the original "bionic rolling skate" - went around corners as if it was on roller-coaster tracks ! ...

Any way, the Mini was just an example - the point was that old technology (carburettors, distributors, 'points', etc. !) is so easy to fix \ modify \ maintain ...

There was a time when I could do virtually everything under tha bonnet of a car, now I just open the bonnet, try to look knowing, then shut the bonnet again ...

By the way, the Celica is 'fugly' - anything but that, or a G*** ! ...
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Many years ago, I was in a race-prepped \ modified original 1300cc Mini - 150 BHP in something that weighed about 800kg when wet - the original "bionic rolling skate" - went around corners as if it was on roller-coaster tracks ! ...

Any way, the Mini was just an example - the point was that old technology (carburettors, distributors, 'points', etc. !) is so easy to fix \ modify \ maintain ...

There was a time when I could do virtually everything under tha bonnet of a car, now I just open the bonnet, try to look knowing, then shut the bonnet again ...

By the way, the Celica is 'fugly' - anything but that, or a G*** ! ...
I know where you are comming from but to be honest working on old technology wont help me with todays cars. So getting something more uptodate seems the more logical option.

I quite like the celica :P awd aswell, already turbo'd etc.
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well that last post blows my idea out then, but i agree with mr riddle, old car simple to tune, any crossflow engine, preferably a mk 2 escort (my1st car) plenty there to get your fingers dirty !! the cobra would have to be a labour of love tho.
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well that last post blows my idea out then, but i agree with mr riddle, old car simple to tune, any crossflow engine, preferably a mk 2 escort (my1st car) plenty there to get your fingers dirty !! the cobra would have to be a labour of love tho.
Yea its between the celica, VR6 or the mk2 GTI...

I'd love to work on the cobra and would definatly not take any short cuts on that however its the money issue. I dont really fancy spending 28k on it even if it is over 10+ years. Would rather invest in a house then.
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A few come to mind

1. Mk1 Golf GTI Cabriolet - I think these were made upto 1990 or so. A G60 engine swop on probably the best looking VW cab should give you speed and looks.

2. Toyota Corolla GT (AE86 - the front wheel drive) -8000 revs all day long! Rare now but still avaliable and cheaper than the AE82 (RWD). The black is a limited edition and the one to look for. Made from around 1984 to 1988.

3. BMW 325i Sport (E30) - one step down from the original M3.

4. VW Scirocco GTII - in my opinion underated but better than the Golf.

Then you have the others such as Sierra 4x4, Renalt 5 GT turbo, Pug 205 GTI, Toyota MR2 Mk2, Escort Mk2, Escort Turbo, Fiesta Turbo, BMW 635 CSI and my favourites Lexus Soarer 2.5 twin turbo or Golf GTi Mk1 campaign.

Of the three you have listed I think the Mk2 Golf would probably be the one i'd recommend.

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