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car judders in first gear why?

hi guys my 32k 06 plate civic 1.8 as an annoying problem when you select first gear and rev between 1000rpm -1500rpm then lift my clutch pedal to pull off and start to drive i get a judder like it struggling to get traction could it be a possible engine mount, any ideas guys.
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Does it tend to do this for the first 5-10 minutes after a cold start (and then get better) - and in particular on cold and wet mornings?

Or does it do it all the time, even after a long journey?
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Mine has a similar problem. Although it happens in first gear when I'm driving and slow down. Despite the clutch fully pressed it seems like the engine is going to stall for fraction and then it's ok. It's a 2.2 diesel tho and yes it happens only when the engine is cold.
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Mine has a similar problem. Although it happens in first gear when I'm driving and slow down. Despite the clutch fully pressed it seems like the engine is going to stall for fraction and then it's ok. It's a 2.2 diesel tho and yes it happens only when the engine is cold.
That is something else - the engine has just not learned to idle properly, or has something that is preventing it from idling properly. I would start by giving it a hard drive (when the engine is fully warmed up - a good 20 mins) using full throttle at high rpm. Then let it idle for a few minutes. If that doesn't work, tell the dealer and he will do the "idle learn" procedure, or maybe something else since he'll be able to diagnose the car better.
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happens when cold and warm , seems to do it at low revs if i floor it theres no judder i had similar problem before on a escort it turned out to be driveshaft, thanks for the input guys any advice is appreciated.
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seems to do it at low revs if i floor it theres no judder i had similar problem before on a escort
So it only judders when you are setting off gently, and only as you are releasing the clutch pedal? Is this what you mean?

When you accelerate hard, with your foot away from the clutch pedal, do the revs ever jump up suddenly and then come back down again (all with your foot well away from the clutch pedal)?
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spot on pottsy setting off gently it judders but accelerate hard its smooth.
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same here ?
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This is normal, and is most common when the clutch is cold and the day is damp. If you do a search for the work "judder" here you will find that many people have it. It is apparently due to the nasty new friction material that is used (environmentally friendly but not that good at being a clutch).

This also happens on many other makes of cars - most notably the little Yaris. If it's any consolation, the clutch will carry on as normal and lead a full and healthy life for its full life expectancy.
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i have no judder with the new clutch or the old one

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Indeed - of all the manual Civics I have driven I have only experienced it in 2.
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wifes just got back from dropping the kids off at school and guess what it didn't judder so i am going to rule out the cold. i'll take it out to get it warm and see what happens,pottsy i know you said it was normal but its annoying saying that though not as annoying as the big dent the foriegn lorry driver caused yesterday will post some pics.
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My 2006 1.8 has been the same since new, not the easiest car to pull away smoothly in. Usually it feels like the car lurches or kangaroos once the clutch has engaged.

I have had loan cars which are not like this and wondered if the fueling at low revs has been revised on later cars.
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I get it in any gear when the car is cold

Saw someone recommend V-power petrol as a remedy and I have to say it has improved but every now and then it's still slightly there

Glad its a commonish problem though as my mrs has been slating my driving ability when it happens thinking I'm doing it
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This is normal, and is most common when the clutch is cold and the day is damp. If you do a search for the work "judder" here you will find that many people have it. It is apparently due to the nasty new friction material that is used (environmentally friendly but not that good at being a clutch).

This also happens on many other makes of cars - most notably the little Yaris. If it's any consolation, the clutch will carry on as normal and lead a full and healthy life for its full life expectancy.
Good isnt he!! lol cut him in half and you will prob see "Honda Civic" written in there like a stick of rock ha ha... Nice reply Mr P
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wifes just got back from dropping the kids off at school and guess what it didn't judder so i am going to rule out the cold.
It's when the clutch is cold. So it needs to be a cold (and often damp) day, and it does it for the first couple of starts-from-stationary after having been left overnight. Once the clutch is warm (by using it a couple of times) it should stop.

If this is how it is behaving, then it is normal. If not, then it's something else!
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I have had loan cars which are not like this and wondered if the fueling at low revs has been revised on later cars.
Have you had a software update recently? Might be worth trying that if not.
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Thanks Potsy, that was one think I was experimenting on my new car, and you bring me the answer before I can ask my dealer !

I know that the Daihatsu Materia has a lot in common with the Toyota Yaris, so it is logical that it suffer from the same "problems".

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thanks pottsy you may be right with the software update i had one done on a migrane(megane) i once had that used to kangaroo after software update it was fine .
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