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steering wheel query and advice sought

I don't have the liberty to speak to a honda civic driver in person but have a question to all honda civic drivers;

If you keep the steering wheel exactly straight, should or does your car drive in a straight line cause mine doesn't, it veers slightly to the left? This is despite taking it to ATS Euromaster to have wheel alignment last week.

Am i right in saying that the steering wheel is a bit rubbish on the honda civics i.e. not precise?
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many things can make this happen but its almost certain its nothing to do with your steering wheel
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Nah, it'll be pulling due to poor alignment and/or worn bushes.

I had trouble with a local tyre place a few years ago and revisited to get pull corrected. Attempt #2 improved it a bit but I bit the bullet and went elsewhere who sorted it first time nay bother.

Does the pull vary if accelerating or cruising?

Are your static alignment settings all within spec?
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I'd love some of you guys drive my car, cause it does my head in.

I don't know what 'static wheel alignment settings' means cause i don't know where i would look them up etc..

when i hit the brakes, the steering wheel comes a wee bit alive. so frustrating and i paid 45 for wheel alignment.
I like the car but i think the steering wheel is not exactly right i.e. when i hold it straight car doesn't drive straight and that shouldn't be the case.

and then that bloody judder which i've put a new thread on here.
i'm taking my car for a full service and mot next week to a 'honda independent specialist' garage in Glasgow, i just don't know if he'd be able to sort it out. Two basic problems, steering wheel and judder, otherwise car is nice.
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Is it 'running down' the camber of the road?
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Yes i suppose it does run down side of road but not sure if that's to do with camber of the road or steering wheel. i have to slightly very slighty keep steering wheel a fraction to the right to keep it going in a straight line.
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To check whether its the road camber, drive on the wrong side of the road and see if it 'runs down' to the right. Taking all necessary precautions of course.
Also, it could be the tyres. Swap the fronts over and see what happens.

I had the same problem on my accord, and it was the tyres doing it. And that was with the OEM tyres.
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You really are asking me to not return to this site by driving on wrong side of road
But i do think the front wheels tread depth is about 3mm and was thinking of buying pair of michelin pilot sport for the fronts.
the two bridgestones in rear have about 6-7mm tread but by keeping them at rear canny hear their noise, phew! bridgestones are noisy, they last long but noisy!

maybe i ought to get new tyres and then see if the problem is still there?
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That's one way of doing it.
That solved my Accord problem, but I did know what was causing it first. But there again, both my tyres had quite a lot of tread left, so what was actually causing the pull, I don't rightly know.
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I could let you know what happens with this steering wheel scenario. i should get new front tyres i think and see if that makes a difference. They are expensive about a 100 each!
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I have the same problem, but I've yet to visit a mechanic. I'll get them check the wheel alignment, the trailing arm bushes and the wheel balancing, since I feel vibration at higher speed.
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Have you tried .... on a nice empty quiet road .... braking with hands off steering wheel? Should carry on straight.
I'd check tyre pressures on all four just to eliminate that one.
Wheel balance might be off if a weight is missing.
But the problem 'might' be a calliper problem. Any feint smell of heat after a long drive. Place back of hands on all four alloys to see if any warmer than others. May indicate slight binding of a brake. Plus check to see thickness of pads same at front then rear pads are equal to each other. Pads aren't loose.
Might be a steering arm being worn.

Your basically playing the elimination game until you can find source.


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Red Dwarf this is very helpful info for me too to keep in mind for my car.
I got ATS to fix the steering wheel alignment.

I'm gona get Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres for my front two wheels on Tuesday.
I hope to see how the car runs with getting all the above done.

Could the wear in steering wheel arm be a factor in a minor judder when car is driving smoothly?
I get it after changing gears and when turning the wheel slightly to left and right, no noise just a hesitation on car.
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Drive shaft worn?? I'm no mechanic but what your saying about just after changing gear and turning wheel.


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I will get the new tyres and drive it for a week and then if problem remains take it to dealer to get EGR valves cleared and ask them about drive shaft and see if they think it could be a cause.
i've read many of the threads on here and it sounds like it could be a EGR problem.

But once i get these new tyres i'll be able to rule out the tyres as a problem. they could be slightly buckled as they are old and that could have a problem to judder but they are at 3mm tread so i may aswell get the best and see how that goes.
i'll let you know by posting a reply next week on how i got on.
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setting the judder aside for now ( different problem ) when you say you have to hold the steering wheel slightly off centre to make the car go in a straight line is this just holding the steering wheel in that position or a constant correction meaning you are constantly nudging the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line ?

if it's just a case of holding the wheel slightly off centre but without having to correct the steering it will be the steering wheel wasn't clamped dead centre when the alignment was done which can cause the wheel to be slightly off centre when driving in a straight line

if your having to correct the steering ( nudging the wheel left n right ) while trying to keep the car in a straight line something is worn out which could be a number of things from a worn out rack to a bottom ball joint and pretty much anything in between

you say one of your front springs needs replacing due to an MOT fail maybe that's causing the problem with the car suspension not being equal
get it replaced and see if it makes a difference

i suspect it's just a matter of the steering whee not been held dead centre when the alignment was done but until that spring is replaced and the car is as it should be it's just a guessing game
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Yes thanks that was helpful you are right. the steering wheel is not dead centre.
He hadn't done the wheel alignment correctly cause the steering wheel had to be slightly off to drive straight.
I took it back and the steering wheel is now put back on straight. I can now drive car in a straight line with steering wheel dead centre, phew!
I'm getting two new front coil springs put on Thursday and then get it back to ATS for retest, hopefully it'll pass before I buy new tyres the following week.
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Hopefully your at the end of your elimination trek and have found the problem and solution.


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And hopefully, when you change the springs it won't 'go off' again.
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And hopefully, when you change the springs it won't 'go off' again.
It will definately be out when the new springs are on, but hopefully they will sort it at the same time
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