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Civic MK8 Tramlining / Crabbing

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Bought a 2009 Honda Civic, it's very nice, trouble is I seem to be experiencing some sort of crabbing or tramlining.

The steering is off about 20 degrees to the left when driving in a straight line but seems to centralize when coming to a stop. It had the tracking set yesterday and still the same problem, The garage were unable to correct the steering and had a poke around, but could not find anything out of the ordinary, although they admitted they didn't know much about Hondas. When you let go of the steering it doesn't pull to either side, but the whole car sort of feels like it's driving at an angle, if that makes sense

I feel like it may be something about the rear axle - it really is a bizarre sensation. The tyres fitted are Bridgestone Potenza S001 and have very even wear.

I've had a good look through the site, but cant find anything that relates exactly to my problem.

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Hmm, Do you have a printout of the alignment?

What you describe does sound like an alignment issue - If it is the rear beam that is badly out of alignment, it's bad news, as the alignment can't be altered as it is a trailing beam; so the entire beam will need to be replaced.
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I've booked another alignment with another garage, I'm not convinced they even touched it. No print out unfortuently

How do I know the rear beam is ok? I've had a good look underneath, nothing sticks out, all bearings are ok, bushes look ok, suspension looks in very good nick

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No print out? sounds like they didn't ._.

Have a look for somewhere with a proper laser alignment rig; You'll probably get some more sense out of them.

Does the suspension all look new? Wondering if it's been knocked back together after a crash and is out of shape!

As for steering, the Honda suspension is fairly simple:- Just a regular McPherson strut in front, with a trailing beam at the back (For 8 / 9G); I'd hope they could work that out!

May be worth having someone follow you to see if the crabbing is visible from the outside? I'd also suggest finding somewhere to safely practice some firm stopping, to get an idea of how it handles under heavy braking, both so you're aware should the need (To emergency brake) arise, and to see if it pulls in any directions.
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Firstly, I'd go LOCK TO LOCK on the steering, and make sure it's an identical number of turns. That would indicate the WHEEL is mounted in the correct place.

Next, try 2mph in a carpark, and see if it goes straight. Holding the wheel straight, try accelerating / braking, does that make it go one way, then the other...

If it's ALWAYS off, then it's tracking, so simply to resolve.

If it pulls one way under acceleration, one under breaking, it's likely to be ball joints worn.

Rattle, is likely to be DROP links or top mounts (but you'll need to be 100k for tops, drop links can fail after 30k).

So, can you elaborate on symptoms, or test the above?
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What you describe does sound like an alignment issue - If it is the rear beam that is badly out of alignment, it's bad news, as the alignment can't be altered as it is a trailing beam; so the entire beam will need to be replaced.
Not true, you can buy Eibach shims that a reputable garage can use to correct misalignment in the rear beam.
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Not true, you can buy Eibach shims that a reputable garage can use to correct misalignment in the rear beam.
Yes - I have looked at them to correct a slight toe in on my rear right, but most places don't seem to want to fit them; That being said, the severity described here may necessitate a little more than shimming!
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Cheers guys,

Tried the lock to lock, does appear the steering wheel has been off at some point. I'm suprised as it has full Honda service history.

As embarrassing as it sounds I think the tramlining is in my head, I really enjoyed driving it coming back from work this evening. Trouble is I've had my old car for around 5 years and I guess I was used to the way that one drove.

Just need to get the steering wheel off and move it one spline to the right. From reading reviews on interweb, these particular tyres are noisy anyway.
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Just need to get the steering wheel off and move it one spline to the right. From reading reviews on interweb, these particular tyres are noisy anyway.

instead of disrupting the steering wheel (and assuming it's the same as the 9gen), go for the adjustment on the steering column to rack. directly behind the clutch pedal. mark it first, move 1 spline and test.
edit: yep, FN2 looks same as 9gen (picture of some clutch mod, but shows steering column) : https://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/c...psa94e81ce.jpg
remove black plastic cover, and undo 10mm bolt.
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You may even find its been adjusted wrong in that the tracking has been adjusted on one side instead of equally on both sides, just a thought but seems to happen a lot these days.

I would get it tracked again and see if one side has toe out/in more than the other side, they must be done equally or the steering wheel is left out of straight....
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Get a 4 wheel alignment on a Hunter machine. If nothing else it will give you peace of mind and in my experience, the guys who operate them seem to actually care that the alignment is correct with the steering wheel straight.
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Cheers for the help guys, managed to book her in at a garage with a hunter machine in a couple of weeks time
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Nice one. Let us know what the outcome is
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Had the alignment, this time at a Honda specialist - the 'crabbing' wasn't in my head it seems, they had a poke around and the rear axle bushes are kaput - At least they found the problem I guess.



They told me you cant get the bushes from Honda, they would rather sell you the whole axle for an eye-watering sum and I'd rather not put aftermarket rubbish in there.



Not sure where to go from here as it's such a kick in the balls - although I have managed to locate polyurethane bushes
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Try Meyle they seem to be the replacement of choice unless you want to go polybush.
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