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Cat 1 Alarms

Hi Can anybody reccomend a non standard alarm there are so many on the market I am not sure which one to choose budget up to £500. Been looking at clifford, Viper, Hornet or Toad. Also has anybody got one of those remote engine starters,if so is it any good??????

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Is this for something other than your Civic? As it comes with a Thatcham Cat 1 Alarm system.

One of the guys with a CTR has the bluejack fitted to his car.

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Hi thanks for the reply No it is for my 08 civic type S which only has a perimieter alarm according to the manual! so i am just looking to upgrade to something decent and possibly reduce the insurance costs.

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Is this for something other than your Civic? As it comes with a Thatcham Cat 1 Alarm system.

One of the guys with a CTR has the bluejack fitted to his car.

blackjax*
mate has it on his car after i told him about it
very good bit of kit
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Hi

Who makes this BlackJax

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its not an alarm mate
its an anti jacking system


basically you get a keypad in your car which you have to input a code into EVERYTIME you open the door. when the code is not inputted the car is brought to a halt and the alarm goes off - the car becomes undriveable till you put the code back in

e.g if someone taps your window at the lights with a gun (god forbid) then you just step out the car and after he has driven off the car (after a certain distance) will stop and sound your alarm
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Cheers for the info i will check it out on the net! So many devices to choose from!
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Sounds like a great system NS.
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yea DR
i did think about getting it because of the fear of someone taking my car from home - but then what if:
someone breaks into the house - you give them the keys - they drive off and the car comes to a stop and they realise you have blackjax - do you have enough time to make yourself safe before they come back and shoot you for the blackjax code
i think the system would be better if the car became undriveable after say 5 minutes or something
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i did think about getting it because of the fear of someone taking my car from home - but then what if:
someone breaks into the house - you give them the keys - they drive off and the car comes to a stop and they realise you have blackjax - do you have enough time to make yourself safe before they come back and shoot you for the blackjax code
i think the system would be better if the car became undriveable after say 5 minutes or something

I'd give you enough time to go and get a spade from the garden shed to greet them with!!!!
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Hey,

I used to have a Clifford Concept 60 on a previous Pug 306 S16 and it was great. It to had BlackJax and was a handy thing to have, except when you forgot about it

Basically the system, as mentioned above allows you to just step out the car and let the carjacker get in & drive off.

The system them looks for a brake input (it's wired into the brake light switch) before it starts to activate the BlackJax and if the code has not been keyed into the alarm via the valet switch the system then starts counting down.
In this time the brake lights flash, to warn motorists behind the car will stop soon and the valet light inside the car will flash to signal a response like inputting the valet code. If no code is input then the ignition supply is cut by the alarms relays, the alarm goes off, the windows roll up (if total closure is fitted) and thief panics and legs it.

Legit driver gets in, inputs code and alarm stops sounding and away you go after him in your VTEC

It's not an instantanious trigger, it does wait a while to put a safe distance between you and your car.

Personally I'd suggest a Clifford, as there is so much you can do with one and their prices have come down in recent years.
Some have had problems with them, but as with any alarm a lot of the issues come down to poor installation. Choose a good installer and your away.
At the time I had mine I had good friends in the trade who gave me the installation instructions which were a big help and I fitted it to the S16 myself, after ripping it out of the 1.4 Pug previous.

Must have add-on is the 2 stage perimeter system, "Warning! Alarm will sound if you dont back away!" heard that in your travels? It was most probably a Clifford, first warning of 2 before alarm sounds if someone is lingering around the outside of your car for too long.

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Or just get tracker fitted so that the car can either be brought to halt without anyone knowing how or so that the car can be recovered once stolen. Cost depending of course. Also, some insurance companies offer discounts with this too....
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Or just get tracker fitted so that the car can either be brought to halt without anyone knowing how or so that the car can be recovered once stolen. Cost depending of course. Also, some insurance companies offer discounts with this too....
trackers are easily removed by crims these days ...
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Or just get tracker fitted so that the car can either be brought to halt without anyone knowing how or so that the car can be recovered once stolen. Cost depending of course. Also, some insurance companies offer discounts with this too....
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trackers are easily removed by crims these days ...
Agree with Neemstar they can be removed by thiefs.

I had tracker on my last car and it eventually made a difference to the premium but only with some companies. When I looked at having it fitted to the CTR it made a difference to the premium of £4 less! So wasn't worth the money for me.

There has been topics about cars being stolen with keys etc. Tracker can only give a rough idea of where the car is but not where it is excatly. Also after some wee scumbag has done God knows what to it, would you really want it back???

On the other hand the aint jacking systems are good but some criminals have caught onto this too and in some instances will take the driver of the car with them in order to make sure that there is no anti hijack device on it, if there is they then make them disarm it and hopefully do you no harm.

If someone wants to steal your car badly enough then they will do it and they usually don't care by what means and who gets hurt!
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I don't think that normal car alarms scare the usual little type of little scrote as they are in and out of the car in a flash having nicked whatever they want, leaving the car alarm wailing as they are around the next corner before anyone notices.

I had a mate who used to have a nice sports car (can't remember if it was a lotus or a scooby) and he used to take the spark plug leads out of the car if he left it anywhere for any amount of time. Doesn't stop them, but causes a number of problems!
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No insurance company will give you a discount for an additional alarm system. The Honda comes with a CAT1 system. CAT1 is just a CAT2 immobilisor with the addition of a perimeter alarm. Don't waste your money.
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No insurance company will give you a discount for an additional alarm system. The Honda comes with a CAT1 system. CAT1 is just a CAT2 immobilisor with the addition of a perimeter alarm. Don't waste your money.
I agree BUT the Tracker is worth it.
It might not get a reduction in premium (This is not the primary reason for having it)
BUT chances are youll get your car back if it is stolen
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I wouldn't want it back if it was stolen
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I wouldn't want it back if it was stolen
Unbelievable!!
Oh well.....Your choice
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