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VSA (ESP) why would you turn off?

Why would you want to turn this safety feature off? Seen the excellent video by whatcar mag promoting this as standard on all new cars. If not seen it. http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=221965

How do you know if its working ? well without going off on one!

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If the VSA includes the traction control you would want to turn it off in some snowy/icy conditions.

For example, climbing a shallow gradient in snow. If the wheels might spin the power would be cut making progress up the hill difficult. If the TC was off you could have more control over the revs making it easier to get up the hill.
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Saved me not long after i got it, came off a roundabout and onto a different surface, the back of the car stepped out badly, not sure i would have caught it without the VSA.
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yer good for corners too if you get bad understeer or oversteer . bet you was going fast czech' or was it icy ?
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Thanks Bul that sounds good explanation
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If the VSA includes the traction control you would want to turn it off in some snowy/icy conditions.

For example, climbing a shallow gradient in snow. If the wheels might spin the power would be cut making progress up the hill difficult. If the TC was off you could have more control over the revs making it easier to get up the hill.
I don't think VSA includes traction control. I can certainly spin the wheels no problem at traffic lights. Quite a learning curve avoiding it after having TC on the previous 2 cars - just floor the throttle.
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VSA does include TC of sorts. If it senses a wheel slipping (wheelspin) it will cut power/brake that wheel. It does not reacts as fast as dedicated TC systems, but works well enough. I was in mud (off road car park) and tested it out. With VSA off it just sat there spinning. With it on, the slip was much reduced and the car made progress.

Persoanlly, I would never turn VSA off. The one time you might need it, you might have turned it off!
Just keep it on I say, it's there to get you out of trouble should you over-cook a slippery corner of have to swerve around something (as the video demonstrates)
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I was in mud (off road car park) and tested it out. With VSA off it just sat there spinning. With it on, the slip was much reduced and the car made progress.
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That's interesting, I've been waiting for some snow to try it out. If as you say the wheel spin is reduced but not eliminated, maybe VSA makes a compromise between preventing spin altogether, or allowing some slip which will make for faster take-off on dry roads.
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Persoanlly, I would never turn VSA off. The one time you might need it, you might have turned it off!
Just keep it on I say, it's there to get you out of trouble should you over-cook a slippery corner of have to swerve around something (as the video demonstrates)
I agree. I would always leave it on but if there was a time that VSA was impeding progress and cutting power when I didn't want it to I would switch it off at that point.

Sound fair?
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I finally got to see my VSA light come on this morning on the ice - I was testing it to see if/how well it worked..
The problem is the yellow light came on and didn't go off again until I stopped at traffic lights. Is this a fault or is it supposed to do that? Does the light on mean that the VSA has stayed on, or tripped out? Pushing the off/on button didn't make any deifference.
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I finally got to see my VSA light come on this morning on the ice - I was testing it to see if/how well it worked..
The problem is the yellow light came on and didn't go off again until I stopped at traffic lights. Is this a fault or is it supposed to do that? Does the light on mean that the VSA has stayed on, or tripped out? Pushing the off/on button didn't make any deifference.
VSA light (exclamation mark) should only blink when VSA does someting not to burn all the time until you stop your car, so there might be something wrong. But if there were so icy and VSA needed to keep you on the road then there's no problem
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did the VSA indicator (exlamation mark in a triangle) flash (pg 337 of the manual), or did both it and the VSA letters come on (and stay on) in the multi function section (trips / dist to go / mpg etc)

If the VSA letters came on, it indicates a fault

However, according to the manual, you only need to have it checked out if after turning the engine off and back on, it comes back

(again, pg 337)

Hope that helps!
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Has happened to me before, on a stretch of dual, the dash light came on and stayed on continuously for approximately 30seconds before turning off. It was very wet mind and I think it happened again if i've hit a pot hole or some other unexpected object on the road.
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Has happened to me before, on a stretch of dual, the dash light came on and stayed on continuously for approximately 30seconds before turning off. It was very wet mind and I think it happened again if i've hit a pot hole or some other unexpected object on the road.
I've noticed the same after going through a corner on wet road conditions and letting my heavy right foot fall on the gas pedal .

It stayed on for like 30 seconds then went off.
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It did affect performance, car just wouldn't accelerate as quickly. I later found an arm trapped behind the wheel.
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The VSA light only comes on when it's doing something. Normally relaxing the throttle, or continuing the slide all the way round until you are pointing forwards again, will extinguish it.

The snow was a great place to try it out, and I found it worked excellently. Twitch the car into a slide and you can hear the brakes applying (sounds like ABS but your foot is nowhere near the pedal) to get you going straight again. At low speed the ABS is disabled, just as you want it, so you can stop in snow.

Only annoying thing I found was "DING" Release Parking Brake kept coming on.
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Drove an S2000 for 4 days couple of months ago. Rear wheel drive... 240BHP... needed to turn it of in order to get that donut right!!
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Interesting this thread..... you lot have 'experimented' unlike me. When I first started driving it was rear wheel drive cars and no ABS, ESP etc but I have got so used to having ABS etc I don't want a car without it now. (Especially as my last car was a 4x4)

Also my dealer kept saying (emphasised very strongly) that you shouldn't turn the VSA off unless you have a space saver wheel fitted ie uneven wheel sizes.
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Also my dealer kept saying (emphasised very strongly) that you shouldn't turn the VSA off unless you have a space saver wheel fitted ie uneven wheel sizes.

lippy - should that be 'don't turn VSA off ifyou have the space saver wheel fitted' ?
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