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My 06 plate 2.2 cdti sport is currently in local Honda dealer. Was escorted in by RAC yesterday as car would not rev past 2000 rpm after RAC force started car direct from battery.
When I came home from work last Friday everything was fine, I have a 120 mile round trip every day, car has 92k on clock. I went out to car yesterday morning (temp minus 4)at 05.45 and the car would not start, nothing happened when the start button was pushed. Glow plug light flashing, engine check indicator in main display and nearside cooling fan running even with keys removed fron ignition. Talked to dealer today and he says it is either the ECU, MICU or the Instrument Cluster but cannot prove it without replacing parts from another car and recoding each time. ECU cost 1100 ouch!!!, MICU 350 ish and Cluster 470 ish plus labour currently at 670 for all the wiring checks they have done. Dealer says he has never seen this fault before in a Civic. Honda are confused as well.
The car has a P Box on it but that does not interfere in any way with the ignition system or any of the components they are talking about. Any of you wizards out there got any ideas.

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The electrical system is delicate.
There have been a few toasted ECUs.
Some people invest in grounding kits.

Does Your Pbox access the obdii port and plug staight onto the network.
Its more than capable of frying the system network via that port...or filling it with garbage/traffic



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Was the key in when he jumped it ?

If it is was, it fries the ECU on the civs. (poss' just the 2.2 but doubt it)
Mate who works in AA warned me when i first got mine, i didnt know.
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Was the key in when he jumped it ?

If it is was, it fries the ECU on the civs. (poss' just the 2.2 but doubt it)
Mate who works in AA warned me when i first got mine, i didnt know.
yes.. good point



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If I remember correctly the above applies to early 8th generation civics. This was posted on the forum once, I don't have a link though.
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Thanks Scotty and Relic.
The P Box has a positive and a negative to the battery and a harness that you plug into each injector and the car injector wiring into the P Box.
The RAC guy used a gizmo that connected using crocodile clips to the car battery with a probe like a screwdriver, the probe had a button on it. RAC man touched the probe onto the starter terminal and pressed the button, hey presto the car started, what he said was that he had effectively bypassed the starter button circuit.
Honda dealer put the car through a diagnostic check and it came up with 3 DTC's. **** me didn't get the code numbers but I think 1 was P1384 - Glow plugs, that would not stop the car cranking over though. I'll get the codes from the dealer tomorrow and post them.
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Her are the DTC's - P0615 Starter Relay Circuit, P0670 Glow Plug Control Module, P1384 Glow Plugs.
Dealer told me today that when they plugged their diagnostic machine into the port there was no communication with the car. So far they have changed the MICU and the Instrument Cluster - car still will not start from the button, they now want to change the ECU. Looks like they have opened a
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Her are the DTC's - P0615 Starter Relay Circuit, P0670 Glow Plug Control Module, P1384 Glow Plugs.
Dealer told me today that when they plugged their diagnostic machine into the port there was no communication with the car. So far they have changed the MICU and the Instrument Cluster - car still will not start from the button, they now want to change the ECU. Looks like they have opened a
P0615 Starter Relay Circuit ???
The first thing Id be doing is swapping out the starter motor after checking fuses/relays
Appears the relays are causing al manner of no starting isssue.




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First thing i'd do is take the brick (sorry Pbox) out

Wont fix your problems, but if it helped cause them, it's eliminating a problem.

+1 on the starter motor first.

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Hi bazzer, I have sent you an email, let me know if you receive it )
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My 07 plate Type-R has just been through some electronic probs.
A few weeks ago on my way to work, the VSA light came up for about 5 seconds then went out. that triggered the engine management light to come up so drove it straight to the dealers. Diagnostic done, two historic fault codes found, reset and told it was OK.
Two days later, start the car up and before turning a wheel, most of the lights came up. VSA, PAS, ABS, seatbelt, handbrake yada yada yada. all went out and again engine management light came on, so off i go straight back to the dealers. They had it again for the day and said it needed a new micu unit. Honda were prepared to pay for it but i would have to pay labour. New part fitted the next day, and i leave the dealership. 500 yards down the road and all the lights come up again, so turn around and go straight back to the dealership. Leave the car with them again they have a good look over it and they do a software update. this did not fix the problem so they lent me a car and kept mine over the weeekend. On Monday they tried a rev counter gauge from another car and took it for a long drive, came back and plugged it in and found no fault codes so this part seemed to fix the problem. Now this time Honda would only pay towards half the cost and again i would have to pay the labour. New part arrives the next day and is fitted. Now so far, 3 weeks later and the car is still fine.

Original Diagnostic check 45.
The Micu unit was 270 (paid for by Honda)
The Rev counter Gauge was 400 of which i had to pay 200 (200 paid by Honda)
& fitting for both of these parts were 80 + Vat = 93 each time.

Makes my total bill for this Fault 431.
Lucky for me the car was only 7 months out of warranty and has 37K on the clock.

The only thing now is that i have a micu unit on the car that is more likely to go wrong than my original part. Apparently from 08 plates onwards the Micu unit could cause these electronic fault codes to come up. Thats why Honda paid for the part just in case it was also affecting 07 plate ones too.

Hope this info may help with any probs.

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As IMO its more than likely the MICU that damaged the rev counter to begin with...
... Id have been having a rather large argument before paying anything.



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I didn't think of that but it doesn't matter now.
It's being traded in for a CR-Z now. I've had enough of the car with the Bonnet that looks like the night sky (stone chips) and it just does not handle nowhere near as good as my prvious EP3 Type-R despit having the tracking checked and new tyres all round.
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I didn't think of that but it doesn't matter now.
It's being traded in for a CR-Z now. I've had enough of the car with the Bonnet that looks like the night sky (stone chips) and it just does not handle nowhere near as good as my prvious EP3 Type-R despit having the tracking checked and new tyres all round.
Hope you enjoy the made in japan z a bit more
The FN2 (and all 8th gen civics) sucks without the fast road setup and eibachs.



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I hope so too, I know it will be slower and i may miss the power sometimes but the Z goes quite well for its size.
Bonus though is i changed my parking permit over ready and i even get that free instead of paying 30 for parking outside my home and getting a refund for whats left on my old pemit.

Hopefully i will get it saturday if my Logbook turns up this week.
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