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9G SatNav

Managed to pick this up on my trawls:


Hopefully this is the model in the 9G including the PDF manual at the bottom of the post.

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Intuitive Touch Screen

A 6.1 WVGA Touchscreen features multi-sensor navigation (GPS / Gyro / Speed Pulse) to perfectly pinpoint your position even when you’re in a tunnel, map coverage for 34 EU countries all updatable via SD card, and Voice Commands and Menus available in 12 languages.

Clever Integration
Vivid, even in direct sunlight, the touchscreen is designed to be fast and intuitive so you can concentrate on driving.
And if your Honda is fitted with the Intelligent Multi Display (iMid) you can operate it from your steering wheel, so you’re really in safe hands.

Connectivity
Then there’s Bluetooth HFT, with integrated microphone and audio streaming, AUX in and USB as well as iPod, iPhone and tablet connectivity. Play CD’s or compressed audio streamed from your devices in real time, with track listings, playlists and album artwork displayed on screen.


Sound Quality
If you think that sounds good, just listen to the HiFi detail. The SD Navigation system features a 4X45 W amplifier for clear, rich audio, not to mention a 5-band graphic equalizer with 6 preset and 6 personal EQ curves to make your music, and your phone calls, really sparkle.

Main Features
Simultaneous Navigation & Entertainment
6,1” WVGA Screen
Touch Screen Operation
Bluetooth
Multi-Sensor Navigation (GPS / Vehicle Speed Pulse / 2D Gyro)
Voice Guidance
Radio:
• Dual FM / AM (18 pre-set stations)
• Radio Data System (RDS)
• Traffic Announcement
• Station List Memory
• Auto Alternative Frequency Search
• Auto / Manual Frequency Search
• PTY Search
Plays:
• Your CD collection (including CD-R/-RW discs)
• MP3, WMA, WAV, iTunes (AAC) music on CD and USB
• Audio streaming from your phone via Bluetooth
• Your iPod® and iPhone® through USB connector
• Your USB device through USB connector
• Other AV devices via the auxillary input
Installation Type: 2-DIN, in-dash
Anti-Theft Protection: Security code, blinking LED, secure installation
Connects with the vehicle’s displays and remote controls


iPod® Compatibility
iPod® / iPhone® Control (through USB connector)
Compatible Generations
• iPhone® 1st through 4th generation
• iPod® nano 1st through 6th generation
• iPod® touch 1st through 4th generation
• iPod® classic 5th & 6th generation
Supported Functions
• Battery charging
• List browsing
• Music playback
• Album art transfer

Navigation Features
Map Type Pre-installed on SD Card (8GB)
Navigation Coverage: 34 European countries
covering 10 million kilometres of road.
Coverage areas include:
UK, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway, Finland, Austria,Belgium, Switzerland,Andorra,
Monaco, San Marino, Vatican, Ireland, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein,
Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary,
Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Gibraltar
Points of Interest (POI): 5,5 million. Honda
car dealers are included in POI.
Lane Assist & Junction View
Speed Limit Indications on major European Roads
TMC Traffic Info Receiver
12 Voice Guidance Languages supported:
English, German, French, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese,Swedish, Danish, Finnish, Norwegian, Polish
12 Menu Languages supported:
English, German, French, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese,Swedish, Danish, Finnish, Norwegian, Polish
Bluetooth
Hands Free Calling (Hands Free Profile)
Music Streaming
Additional Bluetooth Features:
• Phone book transfer
• 300 entries for each user (up to 5 users)

Expandability
USB Input
Auxiliary input
Portable Device Connectivity
Reverse Camera Input
Steering Wheel Remote Control
(Mode, VOL UP/DOWN, CH UP/DOWN)


Audio
45W x 4 Amplifier
Graphic Equaliser (5-band with 6 pre-set & 6 personal EQ curves)
Speed Adaptive Volume

The Diffrences?

What makes this version unique from the first generation model is the increase in size of the SD card from the current 6GB SD to a 8GB SD Card and with on board 2.5 inch SATA drive for additional i-MID data.
It is worth pointing out this 2.5 inch drive is made by Toshiba specifically for automotive grade applications and drive model will be MK6050GAC which incidentally is the six generation of automotive hard drives. This particular model of 60GB drive is a new addition to the current 40GB and 80G GB Toshiba’s Hard drives.

The Reason ?

The 9th gen Civic will house this in the central console of the dash, and like other car manufacturers the centre consoles are integrated into the dash. Like all previous Honda sat nav units these unit normal have integrated fan modules to keep the internals cool and keep the hosts spots within the unit toward the rear of the dash. This ensures a higher components life and reliability.

To make this hard drive robust for the high temperature, the followings are it technical stats from Toshiba.

  1. ATA-7 interface and provides average seek time of 16 msec, data transfer rate of 100 MB/s, and rotational speed of 4,200 rpm.
  2. Measuring 69.85 x 100.0 x 9.5 mm, drive operates in temperatures from -30 to +85°C in altitude range of -300 to +5,500 m
From a rough estimate the standard operating temperature for this drive in the new civic will between 55°C to 65°C which will be well within the manufactures tolerances.

Like all pervious Honda’s this Civic maintenance screen can be access by hold all three button together for three seconds "Map", "Menu" and "Cancel". You can view the temperature of the HDD, do system diagnostics check as well as view the six partitions of the logical drive
The Manual: http://www.honda-access.com/268/en/Images/119391.pdf

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Looks like a good system.
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I thought that, 2D/3D.

I suspect the advertised 'payable' element could be the weather option ?

I also wonder if this is what both the SD and HDD systems will be in the ES-T and EX respectively.
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Just to be picky: you can't listen to music from the sd card slot if it's busy loading the maps!
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Sounds like a very good system with TMC, 3D and Lane Assist and Junction View (sounds like a Garmin).

However, TMC could be the payable element as whilst many Sat Nav's used to come with a lifetime licence for TMC, most manufacturers seem to have now introduced a yearly charge for Traffic info.

That's why I've never updated my Garmin. I would have bought a newer one several times but I object to paying a yearly fee. I can live with driving through fields and not the new A30 in Cornwall as its easy to navigate anyway.

Also, one other essential omission especially for business users - a regularly updated speed camera database and warnings.
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I know Honda paid a fee to TrafficMaster for the RDS-TMC and since 2006 the service has been free of charge to owners.

I would think that the RDS-TMC is still free but from my brief glance through the manual it does mention 'Weather' which I know is an additional chargeable feature in some systems.

Being as the Garmin Traffic Receiver is circa £50 for the unit and lifetime traffic I would think we pay the £50 during initial purchase for a lifetime service.

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Most Garmins these days come with ad supported lifetime traffic free of charge. Premium models include support for chargeable traffic information and should (in theory, I have not tested for any differences myself) provide more up to date information.
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Managed to pick this up on my trawls:


Hopefully this is the model in the 9G including the PDF manual at the bottom of the post.


The Manual: http://www.honda-access.com/268/en/Images/119391.pdf
Krem: Good find... I'm assuming this is the option or as fitted on the "T" grade cars?

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That's what I don't know. The SatNav's on the ES-T and EX are different animals with one being SD and the other HDD.

Once I've had time to look properly I may be able to tell the difference.

I does say that it's a 6.1" screen whereas the current EX SatNav is 7" so it's a smaller display (and will be covered in fingermarks).
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Most Garmins these days come with ad supported lifetime traffic free of charge. Premium models include support for chargeable traffic information and should (in theory, I have not tested for any differences myself) provide more up to date information.
Yeah you're right they've altered them:

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/compare....Product=101883

Some now have free map and traffic updates (another suggestion I made). I guess the pressure of the Iphone took its toll.

Lets hope that the Honda Version gets updates free as well.
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However, if you dig out Pottsy's TT v Garmin traffic test you'll notice that the Garmin traffic is absolutely useless.

The traffic in my built in Civic unit has never missed a beat albeit a bit slow sometimes which I put down to the time it takes the info to pass from Tm beacons to Tm headquarters to radio stations to transmission.

Or could it be that Tm's data is now reportedly taken from owners of the Tm SatNav systems which 'report in' ?
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I have the pioneer F930BT (with some but not all of the functions listed) factory fitted as standard in my Si-T. A nice unit .....But..... I,m glad I kept my TomTom. If you like customising and adding lots of favourite POI's then TomTom wins hands down for ease of use. The pioneer is very very resticted in how much you can add, (10) in additional POI's. And the program to download more POI's, lets just say having german as a second language is an advantage, its also very europe orientated with very very very little coverage for the UK. (In my Mk8, hopefully Mk9 much improved)

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The problem with Tom Tom is you have to subscribe after the 1st year to Tom Tom Live in order to get traffic info.
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Very nice find Kremmen. Judging by the size (6.1") I would say this is about SD sat nav (ex has a 7" sat nav) but the talk about hard disk is confusing me. Is SD sat nav supposed to have built-in storage ?
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I could be wrong as I haven't spotted any reference yet to HDD in the manual, so the one I found could be the SD manual only as stated in the title, but I would be surprised if they produced 2 manuals. Normally bits are * out with a reference to 'depending on model' but I don't see any of that.

It looks quite a comprehensive SatNav though.

The one statement I will look forward to testing is the bit that states if you select the shortest distance that's what you get. So far, the only mapping products that has done that is my very old TT One and MapPoint/AutoRoute.
The Honda Alpine unit and my Garmin 2200 both try to take me on a 129 mile, mostly motorway' trip from Heathrow to Malvern whereas the shortest 'sensible route' distance is 104 miles.


If you prefer to go with the Honda Compact Navigation System then this looks extremely Garmin to me:
http://www.honda-access.com/268/en/Images/111872.pdf


... and the SD Navigation 'leaflet' is PDF number 118145

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Yeah it is a Garmin nuvi, they have been selling nuvis for some time. Regarding Garmin and shortest route - it also depends what route avoidances you have selected in the options.
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I cannot fiond any details as to how to enter a Post Code to set the destination. On the HDD you get a whole screen with all numbrs and letters on it. Here Post Code is not even found in the search. It's not much use without a Post Code setting.
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I cannot fiond any details as to how to enter a Post Code to set the destination. On the HDD you get a whole screen with all numbrs and letters on it. Here Post Code is not even found in the search. It's not much use without a Post Code setting.
Page 52, top right picture.
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There seems to be a gap in the instructions about Post Codes. You can omit the town and go direct to a road. However it does not say you can omit everything and just enter the post code. In fact it does not mention post codes even once anywhere except showing it as a blank in a picture.

It certainly looks less intuitive than the HDD Sat Nav.
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Closest I can find to the HDD SatNav, perhaps someone with an EX or EX-GT could confirm?

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