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Early oil change or not?

My dealer told me that my new Civic 10G does not need the early oil change at 2000 - 3000 km that has been recommended in the past for new cars and that I should change the oil after 1 year.
What is the opinion of others here? Should I listen to this or should I change the oil early?
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My dealer told me that my new Civic 10G does not need the early oil change at 2000 - 3000 km that has been recommended in the past for new cars and that I should change the oil after 1 year.
What is the opinion of others here? Should I listen to this or should I change the oil early?
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I'd say listen to them, they're the experts.

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Manufacturers make money on faults developing outside warranty but it costs them inside it.They work out the probable fail rates and stretch servicing as much as they can,to make running costs meet other manufacturers costs so when you choose a vehicle and take service costs into consideration,their cars remain a viable option.

If i were to buy a new car with the intention of keeping it years outside warranty i would be doing regular oil changes,oil costs very little but its the life blood of any engine.You dont need to change the filter if doing interim oil changes just the oil.

With that said,engine parts are made nowadays to much better tolerances and only a fool would run an engine in slowly other than a few miles especially a diesel which 20 mile aside want driving normally and occasionally using more briskly.Revs were never the issue although manuals keep it simple for average folk,its excessive heat you dont want and that can be gained at all revs.

So to answer your question,if keeping it in warrenty before binning it,no,if intending to keep it long term i would.
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My dealer told my to come over for a check up around 5000km. Oil change will be at 10000km or every year.
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And what about engine revs? Again, the old school said that you needed to keep the rpm below 3000 during the fist couple thousand Km. Again, my dealer said that this is no more any issue. What is your take?
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And what about engine revs? Again, the old school said that you needed to keep the rpm below 3000 during the fist couple thousand Km. Again, my dealer said that this is no more any issue. What is your take?
Running in is almost obsolete and i wouldnt want a diesel that i know for sure has been 'run in' .

But old school,it isnt revs that is the issue it is heat thats the enemy.Load regulates heat,not revs.

If you run a diesel in you risk glazing the bores and that can lead to more oil consumption and less efficient engines. Personally nowadays id give petrol or diesel 20 mile then treat them as normal.Infact thinking about it ive never given them that
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Running in is almost obsolete and i wouldnt want a diesel that i know for sure has been 'run in' .

But old school,it isnt revs that is the issue it is heat thats the enemy.Load regulates heat,not revs.

If you run a diesel in you risk glazing the bores and that can lead to more oil consumption and less efficient engines. Personally nowadays id give petrol or diesel 20 mile then treat them as normal.Infact thinking about it ive never given them that
New oil never did any engine any harm and if you intend to keep the car for any time then get it changed, I will be changing mine at 2000 miles the filter will have next to nothing in it
so it is up to you whether you change that as well .
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New oil never did any engine any harm and if you intend to keep the car for any time then get it changed, I will be changing mine at 2000 miles the filter will have next to nothing in it so it is up to you whether you change that as well .
I was thinking the same. New oil never harmed an engine, oil filters are not expensive and taking it easy for a couple thousand Km is no problem either. So, in spite of what the dealer said, I will do it like that. Also, have in mind that all claims of manufacturers are 1) statistical and 2) subject to the laws of the economy and the competition.
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I thought I read somewhere on the US 10G forum that the break in period is around 600miles.
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I'd want to know if a special 'running-in oil' had been used by the manufacturer before dumping it early and replacing it with a regular engine oil.
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I'd want to know if a special 'running-in oil' had been used by the manufacturer before dumping it early and replacing it with a regular engine oil.
According to my dealer it's not.
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Checked yesterday when collecting new car. First oil change at 20K Kms or 1 year.

Mine will have about 10 or 12K Kms after first year.

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It depends. When you only drive short trips (like me) it's better to change at 10K. Otherwise 20K will do.
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New oil never did any engine any harm and if you intend to keep the car for any time then get it changed, I will be changing mine at 2000 miles the filter will have next to nothing in it
so it is up to you whether you change that as well .
Job done and running smoother than ever .
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Mine will have 3k kilometers after 1 year haha. My eight gen civic has 33.000 kms after 9 years.
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Mine will have 3k kilometers after 1 year haha. My eight gen civic has 33.000 kms after 9 years.
At that rate you will have the eight gen civic run in in 3 more years .
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In terms of running in, the manual states take it easy for the first 600 miles, no sudden acceleration etc, 200 miles for the brakes to bed in.
I've been limiting myself to 4000rpm and 50% throttle until I hit 600 miles. A lot of manufacturers, even on the likes of a GTR, say to stick to this for best fuel economy later on for the car.
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Hello guys,

I just bought my new 1.5 turbo CVT. I'm from Istanbul/Turkey.


I searched a lot about how to proper use a new engine and want to share with you what I undersood:

  • Don’t use too low rews
  • Before moving, start engine and wait around 1-2 mins to engine get ready
  • Before stopping the car, wait around 1-2 mins to get engine and turbo parts cooled (especially after long runs)
  • Don’t load car too much, don’t use gas pedal all the way, use it gently
  • In first 1000kms, rews should be goint around 1700-3000 . But not constant rews.
  • 1000 to 1500 kms rews should be touching 4000 RPMs.
  • 1500 to 4000 kms you can reach max engine should be touching 4500 , 5000, 5500 and 6000 revs gradually.

When it comes to early oil change, someone says Honda using a special oil for new engines in factory and should not be changed until regular oil change time which is 10.000kms.
I still couldn’t decide should I change or not but anyway it will not be a mistake in my opinion.

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In Germany it is by law not allowed to let the car run in idle to warm it up.
Don't know if that's a measure to increase car sales - but the official reason is environment protection.

As far as I understood you should let the turbo spin down before shutting off, takes no more than 30 seconds. Reason being shutting off too early will switch off the oil pump and the oil film might rip and the turbo spins down running dry.

But I guess those instructions also depend on the specific model.
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Had mine changed at 6k miles as it came up on the dashboard needing a service.

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