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10G 1.5 Civic Clucth Juddering

We have noticed that when you pull off from a stand still for the first few meters the clutch / car judders and its the same if the engine is hot or cold. At first we thought this was us just not applying enough revs etc or the biting point position but are now 100% sure it is not us. This is more noticeable when reversing than 1st gear moving forwards but again is still very noticeable. I have tried myself as well around 10 times today and it is impossible to pull away smoothly without the car / clutch juddering which is clearly not right. Not sure if there is something to check for this or a quick fix but we will see how we get on all week before going back to the dealers.

Not sure if this is a common fault or this beds in with a little mileage as at the moment the car has done around 100 miles or maybe I am just unlucky.
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Is this when the dealer states "it's a characteristic of the car".

Sorry for the sarcasm... seems to be a blanket statement from some Honda dealers..

I'd run it a week, if it doesn't get any better take it back..
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Emailed them but will see how it goes all week but for sure impossible to park smoothly due to the juddering. A bit if luck worst case it might want the clutch bleeding rather than a new clutch or flywheel wich would just be my luck
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I'd give it some time to bed in Rick, my sport was the same, it may be down to the car being stood for a bit, but i have noticed mine still judders now and again but not all the time. I notice it more if its a damp day or a cold morning.
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I'd give it some time to bed in Rick, my sport was the same, it may be down to the car being stood for a bit, but i have noticed mine still judders now and again but not all the time. I notice it more if its a damp day or a cold morning.

I hope so but to be fair it should not even judder on a cold morning
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Does the 1.5 have a DMF or is it a normal Clutch with Springs built in to the plate?
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My tourer 1.6 idtec was worse, that used to shake the whole front end sometimes to the point of making the engine mounts bang, and other times nothing.
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I'm at 1200km. Didn't notice a difference since new. It is easier to launch smoothly with econ on, than off. Does it make any difference for you Rick if econ is on or off?

It did take me longer than usual to master the gear changes on this car. Both smooth fuel efficient launches and hard acceleration were different than any other Honda I've owned in the past.
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Could it be caused by the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve)? On the CivicX forum there is a tut to remove it, you get more feeling when shifting. Maybe this solves it?
I must say myself that this isn't an easy car to shift smoothly.

This is the topic : https://www.civicx.com/threads/clutc...-review.21588/
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My 10G clutch is fine. No judder at all. (I hope I haven't spoken too early). I like the well known 'characteristic' line. Not.
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Could it be caused by the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve)? On the CivicX forum there is a tut to remove it, you get more feeling when shifting. Maybe this solves it?
I must say myself that this isn't an easy car to shift smoothly.

This is the topic : https://www.civicx.com/threads/clutc...-review.21588/
That explains a whole lot. Nice find. It took me a while to smoothly shift this car in town, econ on, and had to deliberately slow down my shifts to do that. Rev hang isn't too noticeable at the ECON shift points with a slower shift. You are rewarded with very smooth shifts and progress. You do have to wait a little longer for the revs to come down to match the next higher gear. Not so much of a problem downshifting as a little blip of the throttle takes care of it as it always has. That is until they think of some other infernal nanny device.

Once I got out of break in, I tried high rpm shifts and they were horrendous. I thought it was mostly due to the Rev hang, so I figured double clutching should help to Rev match to the higher gear quicker, nope. So that's what slipping feels like at high speed/rpm! Even if you've managed to get the rpm to nearly mostly right for your speed, it will delay clutch engagement, which means the rpm you matched is pointless. Double clutching won't help with that. If you're back on the accelerator it will slip and the rpms will jump. The only way I can think to counter that is to go back to single clutching, deliberately slow down my shift, by allowing the slip to bring down the rpms to the match point before I go back to the accelerator. Which means you lose some momentum. No wonder there were reports that the 1.5 liked to be short shifted at 5500rpm.

So essentially you'll have to aim for a higher rpm, when Rev matching upshifts, than you're used to for the next higher gear up. The Rev matching occurs after you've released the clutch. Because in reality you really haven't released the clutch, the car is still holding it partially disengaged.

Confused yet?

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You don't seem to be having much luck with your cars lately Rick.
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You don't seem to be having much luck with your cars lately Rick.

Tell me about it Dealer confirmed what I thought in that give it a few days see if it settles down as it could be a sticking release bearing or something failing that they will test drive and confirm the judder and then the gearbox comes out. Strangely this only judders from a total stationary start were it kind of shakes the car 2-3 judders max. If however the car is moving and even just moving like 1mph its fine
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Dealer test drove the car today and now booked in next week to check the engine mountings etc, if still the same the gearbox will have to come out.
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Good in some respects... but damm .. hope this gets sorted Rick..
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Dealer test drove the car today and now booked in next week to check the engine mountings etc, if still the same the gearbox will have to come out.
Well today I drove the car for the first time in 5 days, clutch judder still there but definably not as noticeable. I am now wondering if it may be better to leave it a week or 2 to see what happens or just take it to the dealers as agreed on Tuesday last week. My gut says it still judders but has massively improved and thinking this may sort itself out but then knowing my luck it wont
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Maybe give the clutch a bit of slipping abuse to bed it in more? Trev did that with my CC clutch and it improved it.
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