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Guidance for 2.2 CDTi not starting up.

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I had the Green Flag man round yesterday because my car just suddenly stopped working. It was fine in the morning and then later it just won't fire up.
The drive belt goes round and the engine will kind of turn but it won't start.
He said battery was fine and suggested it could be the fuel pump on the tank.
The car showed no faults on the reader he plugged in.
I know I am two months late with my service, which is very naughty.
So I thought it may be the filter?
I primed the bulb a number of times but nothing
It is a 2006 cdti 2.2 sport.
Is there anything I should try or should I just leave it to the experts at my local (non Honda) garage? They are very good and trustworthy.
Just worried about the cost, anything too expensive and it will sit on the drive next to the wife's dead Peugeot!
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Sounds like dead cars are becoming a bit of a habit!

Sorry to hear you have a problem tho.

When was the fuel filter last replaced?

The Civic derv's do like a good fuel pressure, but that's going to take some investigation.

Might it be something as simple as the fuel cut off switch? http://www.civinfo.com/forum/bugs-fa...tml#post529412
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The filter was changed just over a year ago when it had a major service.
Its been running great recently, the only problem it had was that the clutch is slipping in 3rd, 4th 5th so on.

It obviously needs a mechanic to do a little investigation.

Yes, I have been totally unlucky with cars.
The wife's needs a cylinder head doing and the timing belt.
My Mazda 626 overheated on the motorway and killed the engine
My V6 Vectra, the bolt sheared off where the cam belt was and destroyed the engine, the belt itself was immaculate!
And my Peugeot 407 needed over 600 worth of repairs to get it through the MOT.

I bought a Honda because of their reputation as having extremely good engines. In fact the recovery mechanic said that whenever he's called out to a diesel honda, its normally something simple like a battery.



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Well lets hope it's a simple fix then eh, go check the fuel cut-off and rule that out.

How many miles has the Civic done? - there's nowt listed within your profile/etc.
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Might it be something as simple as the fuel cut off switch? http://www.civinfo.com/forum/bugs-fa...tml#post529412
Definitely try the cut off switch. Simple to get to, will take less then 2 minutes!
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Ok, I tried the cut off switch and pushed it in. It felt like it was already pushed in.
Unfortunately it still didn't start, but at least thats ruled that out.

Priming the bulb a number of times also didn't help.
My car has done 82,000 miles which i guess is nothing for this engine, when it works of course.

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Probably be best to get the DTC codes and see what they're saying. Do you have access to a reader (or a friendly mechanic who can plug on in for you)? Otherwise it is all just guesswork over the net (fun but not necessarily helpful to you).
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Incidentally - I don't believe there is a fuel pump on the tank - hence the need for the priming bulb. I think all the pumping is done by the HP fuel pump.
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...The drive belt goes round and the engine will kind of turn but it won't start...
What do you mean by 'kind of turn'? Is the engine not spinning round as fast as usual when you are operating the starter? You make it sound like it is somehow struggling (which would then result in it failing to actually fire up).

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...He said battery was fine and suggested it could be the fuel pump on the tank...
The fuel pump isn't on the tank... it is on the engine and sucks the fuel up.

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...The car showed no faults on the reader he plugged in...
That's a shame in a way, but might be good news!

I'm hoping this is a simple electrical problem preventing the starter motor from functioning correctly.
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Hi,

Yes I think the Green flag guy got it wrong. The mechanic that I know told me the same thing that there is no pump on the tank.
The drive belt spins around and the engine turns but there is no fire up at all.
I'm hoping it may just be a mechanical part needing to be sorted.
The code reader looked very small in comparison to the one at the garage which is a laptop.
He said there wasn't any faults but I think I should wait to get it plugged into the Laptop.

Just as a complete aside, I have nearly just Sh*t my pants in the back garden... Not a normal thing to happen, but was relaxing when a swarm of bees flew into the garden, there were thousands of them and the noise was incredible!!! Ive never moved so fast I'm my life as I ran into the house. The sky was blocked out with them, like something out of a movie, only the hero doesn't normally wimp out and run away

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So it's actually turning over completely normally while the starter is being operated, just not firing?

If so, being a diesel, it must be a fuelling problem. Suddenly stopping dead when already running points to the fuel pump, so my guess is that either the drive shaft has sheared or the fuel pressure regulator has stuck open.

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I hope its whatever is cheapest, as I need to save for a clutch replacement soon

I just don't understand how one minute its fine and the next its not.
I did brake quite suddenly on the morning of the day it stopped working. Almost killed a squirrel!!

I have recorded a short video of the engine as I push the start button, but I don't know how to attach it here

Thanks for all the help

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Put it on YouTube and post a link.

It could be that your driveshaft is broken or the flywheel is no longer connected to it properly. The engine will not try to fire, instead you'll hear a scraping sound when you press the starter button.

If the engine is chugging away trying to start, GOOD NEWS! Your driveshaft isn't broken and you're bits are all still attached. Likely an air leak in the fuel system. The fuel lifter pump is on the filter under the airbox, check the fuel filter change how-to guide for details. It could be a loose pipe or a hole in something that's caused a build up of air at the fuel pump so it's got nothing to suck up and send to the high pressure pump.
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It still hasn't been made absolutely clear whether the starter motor is properly turning the engine over or not. So we can't be sure whether this is a problem with the starter motor or a fuel issue.
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Im sure there is a fuel pump built into the tank the primer bulb is there - surely to just "prime" the system after a fuel filter change.
Diesel pump is gear driven and creates the pressure required??
It could not possibly draw all the fuel up from the tank as well...imho

Does your heater plug relay light up and go off think this sounds like a timing sensor fawlty something electrical if car has been serviced regular...

If your clutch was in better condition you could have tried bump starting...

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Im sure there is a fuel pump built into the tank the primer bulb is there - surely to just "prime" the system after a fuel filter change.
Diesel pump is gear driven and creates the pressure required??
It could not possibly draw all the fuel up from the tank as well...imho

Does your heater plug relay light up and go off think this sounds like a timing sensor fawlty something electrical if car has been serviced regular...

If your clutch was in better condition you could have tried bump starting...
The i-CTDi does NOT have a fuel pump in the tank... the Bosch CP-3 fuel pump assembly is bolted onto the engine (next to the fuel filter housing) and contains both a 'lift' pump (to suck the fuel up from the tank) and a high-pressure pump to generate the necessary injection pressure... both of these pumps are co-located in the same housing and share the same driveshaft (which comes off the back of one of the camshafts).

Sucking fuel up in this way is normal for a modern diesel engine, but unfortunately this becomes problematical when air is present in the pipework between the fuel pump and the tank (so yes, after replacing the fuel filter but also if the tank is emptied), hence the hand primer bulb.

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Hi,
I had the Green Flag man round yesterday because my car just suddenly stopped working. It was fine in the morning and then later it just won't fire up.
The drive belt goes round and the engine will kind of turn but it won't start.
He said battery was fine and suggested it could be the fuel pump on the tank.
The car showed no faults on the reader he plugged in.
I know I am two months late with my service, which is very naughty.
So I thought it may be the filter?
I primed the bulb a number of times but nothing
It is a 2006 cdti 2.2 sport.
Is there anything I should try or should I just leave it to the experts at my local (non Honda) garage? They are very good and trustworthy.
Just worried about the cost, anything too expensive and it will sit on the drive next to the wife's dead Peugeot!
Many thanks
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how many miles has it done, has anyone accidentally put petrol in it, any eml lights on dash. you need to scan it, if pump gone then a scan will show up a fault code some like fuel pressure high and or low, or remove the high pressure feed pipe that goes from pump to fuel rail, and taped it out on to clean rag of paper if pump has gone you will see tiny bits of metal .
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Having same problem any idea what it could be mine fires up with easy start also I changed fuel pump but did not help
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Having same problem any idea what it could be mine fires up with easy start also I changed fuel pump but did not help
Almost certainly either your rail over-pressure valve is leaking, or an injector (or two) has developed an excessive leak-back problem. Check the valve first as it's really easy, then go on to check injector flows afterwards. All in this thread... https://www.civinfo.com/forum/how-gu...-2-i-ctdi.html
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Hi bud I did the test with the braided pipe nothing came out but did come where the pipe goes on to the Metal pin
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