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Help with oil light please

Can people with 2.2 iDtecs do a little test for me?
Please time in seconds how long it takes for your oil pressure light to go out after starting
1 first thing in the morning
2 after turning the engine off and immediately back on
3 after leaving the engine stopped for 1/2 hour

I will tell you why when we get some numbers in
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1 Approx 3 seconds.
2 If i'm quick enough the light doesn't come on at all.
3 Goes out instant engine starts.
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Thanks for that.
Any more for any more?
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1 about 3 secs
2 & 3 probably less than a second
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You have confirmed my suspicions
I thought when I got the car the oil light went out as you describe.
Mine, after 10k miles now takes about 3-4 secs to go out for 1 and more importantly 3.
I think the non return valve must be stuck, so the oil runs back out the filter when the engine stops....
Trip to dealer booked.
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Mine takes about 4 seconds to go out when the engine is cold..

I started my engine and a lot of smoke came out the exhaust the other day.. Any reasons why?

Garage said i could have just had oil lying as I may have revved my car a little before turning the ignition off
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Mines about 3-4 seconds from cold. The more important one is after a short stop.
What colour smoke?
White, water vapour or unburnt diesel - Damp in the exhaust or glow plugs not up to temp?
Black, bit of old soot out the exhaust or overfuelling when starting can do this occasionally
Are you remapped? Clean air filter?
Black, as suggested burning off some oil.

If it only happened once I don't think it's a major problem....
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Mines about 3-4 seconds from cold. The more important one is after a short stop.
What colour smoke?
White, water vapour or unburnt diesel - Damp in the exhaust or glow plugs not up to temp?
Black, bit of old soot out the exhaust or overfuelling when starting can do this occasionally
Are you remapped? Clean air filter?
Black, as suggested burning off some oil.

If it only happened once I don't think it's a major problem....

Its like a whitey blue...

Could be glow plugs not to temp.

But no im not remapped mate just oem
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White/grey/blue sounds like a small amount of unburnt diesel.
Slightly worn engine will do this, compression not as high as when new, or a bit of wear on injectors
More likely glow plugs not as efficient as new.
Try operating glow plugs twice by turning key, wait for glow plug light to go out and then switch key off and repeat.
If smoke is less, may give you an indication?
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Hi I've just joined. I was searching around to see what people say about the time it takes for the oil pressure light to go out after a cold start. This is because I've always driven petrol engined cars (where the oil pressure light goes out directly on starting whether hot or cold) so I was a bit surprised when I found that the light takes about 2 seconds to go out after starting in the morning. I haven't noticed how long it takes after a 1/2 hour stop (it goes out immediately if the engine is stopped and started again straight away). By the way mine is a 1.6 diesel with only 5000 miles on it. Is this normal?
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Hi I've just joined. I was searching around to see what people say about the time it takes for the oil pressure light to go out after a cold start. This is because I've always driven petrol engined cars (where the oil pressure light goes out directly on starting whether hot or cold) so I was a bit surprised when I found that the light takes about 2 seconds to go out after starting in the morning. I haven't noticed how long it takes after a 1/2 hour stop (it goes out immediately if the engine is stopped and started again straight away). By the way mine is a 1.6 diesel with only 5000 miles on it. Is this normal?
Welcome hondaandy!

All of my other cars, petrol or diesels have usually extinguished their oil lights almost immediately on starting.
The only exception has been after an oil change when the filter is empty.
So I am sure this should not be normal. I am sure that 2-4 seconds is not a good idea for a long engine life.....

I do have two theories

1: Oil pressure switch is set to operate and turn light off at higher pressure than normal for some reason.

2: The non return valve in the filter assembly is not working, or Honda have not designed one in. The oil filter is located high on the engine for ease of service and will naturally empty back into the sump. On the Vauxhall we have with a similar oil filter design there is a simple valve to keep oil up in the filter when the engine is not running. I canít see one of these on the Honda

Anyway mine is going to the dealers to check this at the weekend.
I will let you know the outcome.
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Update

Well car has had an oil and filter change and the time for the light to go out is much reduced, down to about a second.

So either the filters clog up easily, or the oil put in at the factory is really really thin!!
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Hi Soichiro, I contacted my local dealer who said that it 'was normal' - I don't really believe this though. They said they only use shell 5W-30 oil - do you know what oil you've had put in?
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Hondaandy,
My dealer said it was normal to!
But after the service and an oil and filter change the time for the oil light to go out has been reduced to 1 to 2 seconds.

My dealer uses 5W-30 in everything dispite Honda's recommendation of 0W-30.

If you are at all worried and are planning to keep the car for a long time it might be worth having an oil change done?

I my opinion 12.5k miles is a bit long - a half time change at 5-6k can only be a good idea....apart from the high cost of engine oil these days!!
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I'm reviving an old thread here. Its 10k since my last oil change so a service is due, however I'm having this issue now. When the cars warm the light will go out instantly, but when its a cold start in the morning it takes about 2 seconds now and things sound a little rattly. Mildly concerning. I'm hoping its just oil change needed but its never done this before. Does anyone think it may be the oil pump on its way out?
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I'm reviving an old thread here. Its 10k since my last oil change so a service is due, however I'm having this issue now. When the cars warm the light will go out instantly, but when its a cold start in the morning it takes about 2 seconds now and things sound a little rattly. Mildly concerning. I'm hoping its just oil change needed but its never done this before. Does anyone think it may be the oil pump on its way out?


You checked the oil level recently?


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When mine started doing this it was much better after new oil and filter
I think much of it is caused by the fact that the oil filter is high up on the engine and the oil drains right back down to the sump overnight
There is a non return valve of sorts I believe but if the filter is starting to clog and reach the end of its life it will increase the amount of time it takes to refill the filter housing first start in the morning
Most of the rattle on my 2.2 as it got older and went through 100k was to do with the timing chain and not the oil pump
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When mine started doing this it was much better after new oil and filter
I think much of it is caused by the fact that the oil filter is high up on the engine and the oil drains right back down to the sump overnight
There is a non return valve of sorts I believe but if the filter is starting to clog and reach the end of its life it will increase the amount of time it takes to refill the filter housing first start in the morning
Most of the rattle on my 2.2 as it got older and went through 100k was to do with the timing chain and not the oil pump
Ok It should be fine then. The oil and oil filter hasnt been changed in just under 10k miles now so its probably high time I did it. I changed the timing chains already at 155k miles so Im hoping to get 200k without any issues. Thanks for the advice guys its appreciated.
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