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1.6 diesel 6 monthly services?

Is anyone else aware that the new 1.6 diesel engine needs an oil refresh every 6 months? It's not in any literature I can find and even the service manager admitted it's as clear as mustard!

The service books say every 12.5 miles (or 12 months) but you need to ignore that and go by what the computer says. If it wasn't on a 5 year service plan I would be livid!


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So if your vehicle has the variable service interval doesn't this track how hard/gently the vehicle has been driven, how many cold starts, if driven in or out of town, etc. This data is then used to determine your variable schedule rather than a 12 month fixed cycle.

Under what conditions has your vehicle been driven?
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The service books say every 12.5 miles (or 12 months) but you need to ignore that and go by what the computer says.
Which computer?
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what wizardry do you speak of this "variable service schedule"? nothing was mentioned during sale, and nothing is mentioned in the manuals or service book. When the service light did ping on I assumed the garage had forgotten to cancel it off after it's first service. They even stuck a label in my windscreen advising when the next service/ milage was due! - ie plus 12 months or 12.5 miles!



I use it for commuting to and from work a good 40 minutes either way each day on the motorway, as a normal driver.
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what wizardry do you speak of this "variable service schedule"?
There are two options apparently. Calendar servicing (12 months 12.5k) or let the car's computer do its thing (variable servicing). My dealer switched the latter off.
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nothing was mentioned during sale, and nothing is mentioned in the manuals or service book.
This stuff is spelled out on page 41 of my Service book
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The service books say every 12.5 miles (or 12 months)

If your service book says that, then you have the wrong service book.


All 10G in the UK should be serviced on the variable service schedule using the Service Reminder System, your book should show the A, B, 1, 2 . . . services.


10G diesel does have a shorter servicing schedule due to the WLTP/RDE emission standards, each service will be indicated by the Service Reminder System light and the meter display giving you an indication in days when service is due.
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I have the 9G 1.6 and I service every 6 month regardless. I have normally clocked up to 10k by the 6 month point.. I don't see any harm in it unless your having to pay the Honda Stealer to do it for you.
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The service book isnt' clear - containing both sets of information, and the Honda garage has stamped the wrong portion! The problem with variable systems is not being able to plan and cost out for servicing. The car is on a service plan as mentioned. Beyond that it will be run as per 12.5 miles unless the mot emissions complain.
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how can you check if the variable reminder is switched on?I have looked for spanner in the vehicle section of multi display unit but there isn't an icon to check or add if was turned off..When I had my first annual service i asked when the next service is due and was told at 2 years or 25000 miles.Also that there is not an oil change at 6250 miles for a diesel.Despite there being several threads on here to the contrary.
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Hi,

Happy to help clear this up.

I have the MK10 diesel.

I had some interesting discussion when buying and the service interval and if the 6,250 oil change was included in the service plan or not.

It was as someone said as clear as mud...

My MK10 has the oil monitored turned off, so itís every 6,250 for oil change or 6 months (A) and Major every 12,500 or 12 months...

Pleased to report the oil and filter change are included as part of the service plan, I suspect they had a backlash about this when people originally believed it was 12,500 / 1 year as per the others in the range.

Had no issues apart from a drive and a several hours out of my day.

From what I hear the variable on the 1.5 and 1.0 is requiring people to have it serviced every 6,000 or 7,000 based on the chatter on the FB group.

If you havenít got a plan, itís priced at approx £100 for the oil change.

Hope this helps.

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Could be a few visits to the dealer for mine then, I've had it 6 weeks and done just over 5.5k. Service interval is currently showing 50 days on the dash, but guessing this will drop.

Thankfully the lease company will be paying for the servicing; and I get paid to wait for it to be done

Mines the 1.5 Sport.
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Hi Andy,

As yours is the petrol, you follow the variable service guide.

I was referring to the diesel which has the 6,250 service intervals.

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Hi,

Happy to help clear this up.

I have the MK10 diesel.

I had some interesting discussion when buying and the service interval and if the 6,250 oil change was included in the service plan or not.

It was as someone said as clear as mud...

My MK10 has the oil monitored turned off, so itís every 6,250 for oil change or 6 months (A) and Major every 12,500 or 12 months...

Pleased to report the oil and filter change are included as part of the service plan, I suspect they had a backlash about this when people originally believed it was 12,500 / 1 year as per the others in the range.

Had no issues apart from a drive and a several hours out of my day.

From what I hear the variable on the 1.5 and 1.0 is requiring people to have it serviced every 6,000 or 7,000 based on the chatter on the FB group.

If you havenít got a plan, itís priced at approx £100 for the oil change.

Hope this helps.

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Who or what has said this? The 6 months oil change is included in the service? Do you mean you take the car back to the dealer 6 months after you have a service and they change it without additional charge?
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Yes - if your on a service plan that is correct.

Oil change @ 6,250 (a) service then a (b) service major every 12,500.

I was informed of this when purchasing the car.

There had been some debate to if it was included in the plan or not, but seems it is, so over the 5 years I’ll actually have 10 services including the major and minor services on the diesel.

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That makes the service plan a must have item on this model, it used to be the case you only got one every 12.5 miles, or however many services for that period of plan. This one seems much more flexible if you have to take it back when the car tells you!



And that is why I never buy new...let someone else pay the upfront costs and buy ex demo
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Hi,

My car personally doesn’t have the variable servicing turned on, I’m not sure if it’s just my diesel or all diesels (I’m sure someone will be along to say)...

But mine rely’s on me keeping an eye on the mileage, which I’m happy to do, as it’s how all my other cars have been.

Yeah a plan on new or used is probably worth considering seeing the amount of services that are required.
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It's more or less the same engine as the 1.6 in the 9G so I don't know why they've made it variable.
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it will be keep the car within the low emission band, and that enormous egr clean as a whistle. no smokey black carbon spitting engines allowed under euro 6 standard (not to say it doesn't happen!)
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Ahhh! so the difference between the EURO5 "mine" and EURO6 1.6 is service intervals? I do mine every 6 month anyway due to the mileage I do.
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something like that https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/e...ons-standards/


Euro 6 and Euro 6 diesel

Implementation date (new approvals): 1 September 2014
Implementation date (most new registrations - see important point below table above): 1 September 2015
The sixth and current incarnation of the Euro emissions standard was introduced on most new registrations in September 2015. For diesels, the permitted level of NOx has been slashed from 0.18g/km in Euro 5 to 0.08g/km.
A focus on diesel NOx was the direct result of studies connecting these emissions with respiratory problems.
To meet the new targets, some carmakers have introduced Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR), in which a liquid-reductant agent is injected through a catalyst into the exhaust of a diesel vehicle. A chemical reaction converts the nitrogen oxide into harmless water and nitrogen, which are expelled through the exhaust pipe.
The alternative method of meeting Euro 6 standards is Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR). A portion of the exhaust gas is mixed with intake air to lower the burning temperature. The vehicleís ECU controls the EGR in accordance with the engine load or speed.
Euro 6 emissions standards (petrol)

CO: 1.0g/km
THC: 0.10g/km
NMHC: 0.068g/km
NOx: 0.06g/km
PM: 0.005g/km (direct injection only)
PN [#/km]: 6.0x10 ^11/km (direct injection only)
Euro 6 emissions standards (diesel)

CO: 0.50g/km
HC + NOx: 0.17g/km
NOx: 0.08g/km
PM: 0.005g/km
PN [#/km]: 6.0x10 ^11/km
Euro 5

Implementation date (new approvals): 1 September 2009
Implementation date (all new registrations): 1 January 2011
The big news for Euro 5 was the introduction of particulate filters (DPFs) for diesel vehicles, along with lower limits across the board. For type approvals from September 2011 and new cars from January 2013, diesel vehicles were subject to a new limit on particulate numbers. DPFs capture 99% of all particulate matter and are fitted to every new diesel car. Cars meeting Euro 5 standards emit the equivalent of one grain of sand per kilometre driven.
Euro 5 emissions standards (petrol)

CO: 1.0g/km
THC: 0.10g/km
NMHC: 0.068g/km
NOx: 0.06g/km
PM: 0.005g/km (direct injection only)
Euro 5 emissions standards (diesel)

CO: 0.50g/km
HC + NOx: 0.23g/km
NOx: 0.18g/km
PM: 0.005g/km
PN [#/km]: 6.0x10 ^11/km
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