Is anyone else aware that the new 1.6 diesel engine needs an oil refresh every 6 months? It's not in any literature I can find and even the service manager admitted it's as clear as mustard!
The service books say every 12.5 miles (or 12 months) but you need to ignore that and go by what the computer says. If it wasn't on a 5 year service plan I would be livid!
Honda!? what the heck are you selling these days?!
So if your vehicle has the variable service interval doesn't this track how hard/gently the vehicle has been driven, how many cold starts, if driven in or out of town, etc. This data is then used to determine your variable schedule rather than a 12 month fixed cycle.
Under what conditions has your vehicle been driven?
what wizardry do you speak of this "variable service schedule"? nothing was mentioned during sale, and nothing is mentioned in the manuals or service book. When the service light did ping on I assumed the garage had forgotten to cancel it off after it's first service. They even stuck a label in my windscreen advising when the next service/ milage was due! - ie plus 12 months or 12.5 miles!
I use it for commuting to and from work a good 40 minutes either way each day on the motorway, as a normal driver.
There are two options apparently. Calendar servicing (12 months 12.5k) or let the car's computer do its thing (variable servicing). My dealer switched the latter off.
nothing was mentioned during sale, and nothing is mentioned in the manuals or service book.
If your service book says that, then you have the wrong service book.
All 10G in the UK should be serviced on the variable service schedule using the Service Reminder System, your book should show the A, B, 1, 2 . . . services.
10G diesel does have a shorter servicing schedule due to the WLTP/RDE emission standards, each service will be indicated by the Service Reminder System light and the meter display giving you an indication in days when service is due.
I have the 9G 1.6 and I service every 6 month regardless. I have normally clocked up to 10k by the 6 month point.. I don't see any harm in it unless your having to pay the Honda Stealer to do it for you.
The service book isnt' clear - containing both sets of information, and the Honda garage has stamped the wrong portion! The problem with variable systems is not being able to plan and cost out for servicing. The car is on a service plan as mentioned. Beyond that it will be run as per 12.5 miles unless the mot emissions complain.
how can you check if the variable reminder is switched on?I have looked for spanner in the vehicle section of multi display unit but there isn't an icon to check or add if was turned off..When I had my first annual service i asked when the next service is due and was told at 2 years or 25000 miles.Also that there is not an oil change at 6250 miles for a diesel.Despite there being several threads on here to the contrary.
I had some interesting discussion when buying and the service interval and if the 6,250 oil change was included in the service plan or not.
It was as someone said as clear as mud...
My MK10 has the oil monitored turned off, so it’s every 6,250 for oil change or 6 months (A) and Major every 12,500 or 12 months...
Pleased to report the oil and filter change are included as part of the service plan, I suspect they had a backlash about this when people originally believed it was 12,500 / 1 year as per the others in the range.
Had no issues apart from a drive and a several hours out of my day.
From what I hear the variable on the 1.5 and 1.0 is requiring people to have it serviced every 6,000 or 7,000 based on the chatter on the FB group.
If you haven’t got a plan, it’s priced at approx £100 for the oil change.
I had some interesting discussion when buying and the service interval and if the 6,250 oil change was included in the service plan or not.
It was as someone said as clear as mud...
My MK10 has the oil monitored turned off, so it’s every 6,250 for oil change or 6 months (A) and Major every 12,500 or 12 months...
Pleased to report the oil and filter change are included as part of the service plan, I suspect they had a backlash about this when people originally believed it was 12,500 / 1 year as per the others in the range.
Had no issues apart from a drive and a several hours out of my day.
From what I hear the variable on the 1.5 and 1.0 is requiring people to have it serviced every 6,000 or 7,000 based on the chatter on the FB group.
If you haven’t got a plan, it’s priced at approx £100 for the oil change.
Who or what has said this? The 6 months oil change is included in the service? Do you mean you take the car back to the dealer 6 months after you have a service and they change it without additional charge?
Could be a few visits to the dealer for mine then, I've had it 6 weeks and done just over 5.5k. Service interval is currently showing 50 days on the dash, but guessing this will drop.
Thankfully the lease company will be paying for the servicing; and I get paid to wait for it to be done
Oil change @ 6,250 (a) service then a (b) service major every 12,500.
I was informed of this when purchasing the car.
There had been some debate to if it was included in the plan or not, but seems it is, so over the 5 years I’ll actually have 10 services including the major and minor services on the diesel.
That makes the service plan a must have item on this model, it used to be the case you only got one every 12.5 miles, or however many services for that period of plan. This one seems much more flexible if you have to take it back when the car tells you!
And that is why I never buy new...let someone else pay the upfront costs and buy ex demo
My car personally doesn’t have the variable servicing turned on, I’m not sure if it’s just my diesel or all diesels (I’m sure someone will be along to say)...
But mine rely’s on me keeping an eye on the mileage, which I’m happy to do, as it’s how all my other cars have been.
Yeah a plan on new or used is probably worth considering seeing the amount of services that are required.
it will be keep the car within the low emission band, and that enormous egr clean as a whistle. no smokey black carbon spitting engines allowed under euro 6 standard (not to say it doesn't happen!)
Implementation date (new approvals): 1 September 2014 Implementation date (most new registrations - see important point below table above): 1 September 2015
The sixth and current incarnation of the Euro emissions standard was introduced on most new registrations in September 2015. For diesels, the permitted level of NOx has been slashed from 0.18g/km in Euro 5 to 0.08g/km.
A focus on diesel NOx was the direct result of studies connecting these emissions with respiratory problems.
To meet the new targets, some carmakers have introduced Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR), in which a liquid-reductant agent is injected through a catalyst into the exhaust of a diesel vehicle. A chemical reaction converts the nitrogen oxide into harmless water and nitrogen, which are expelled through the exhaust pipe.
The alternative method of meeting Euro 6 standards is Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR). A portion of the exhaust gas is mixed with intake air to lower the burning temperature. The vehicle’s ECU controls the EGR in accordance with the engine load or speed. Euro 6 emissions standards (petrol)
Implementation date (new approvals): 1 September 2009 Implementation date (all new registrations): 1 January 2011
The big news for Euro 5 was the introduction of particulate filters (DPFs) for diesel vehicles, along with lower limits across the board. For type approvals from September 2011 and new cars from January 2013, diesel vehicles were subject to a new limit on particulate numbers. DPFs capture 99% of all particulate matter and are fitted to every new diesel car. Cars meeting Euro 5 standards emit the equivalent of one grain of sand per kilometre driven. Euro 5 emissions standards (petrol)
This an even lower emissions and a more life like testing brought in after the VW dieselgate.
This means there are additional requirements for Nox reduction via a Nox storage cat or NSC, as Honda does not use an adblue system.
There is also requirement for higher levels of dpf regeneration this also increases the levels of oil dilution from post injected unburnt fuel, thus requiring more regular oil changes.
Just to pour a small amount of oil omto this thread after reading the above contacted Honda customer service via their messaging service on Saturday received reply today stating my 1,6 i-DTEc is not a civic turbo so does not need an oil change at 6000 miles.Consequently I have replied asking why my car has had its turbo removed. If they don't know about their products there not a lot of hope for the rest of us.I also pointed out to them how is the customer to know what is or isn't required if the supplying dealer doesn't know either.At no point during the sale or after 1st service when I asked about servicing was I told oil change at 6k only that the service was due at 12.5k or 12 months.How do customers who don't have the luxury of the internet to find this stuff out?.Certainly has added to lifetime cost of owning car.Last BMW had servicing every 18000 miles or 2 years and the servicing was cheaper than the Honda I had earlier this year.
Finally after a several days after I replied to their email.They have conceded that the 1.6 diesel does indeed have a turbo.Their advice is now to follow 12.5k or 1 year servicing schedule as well as a 6k mile or 6 month oil and filter change, normal conditions or 3k miles or 3 months in severe conditions.They claim this in the service book/handbook can't confirm as I don't have it to hand.
Ok not been on here for a bit looked in handbook in maintenance section where it lists service intervals and what needs doing it does indeed say about oil changes at 6000 miles normal conditions or 3000 miles in severe conditions as well as other items that have a check at 6000 miles.These are in addition to the 12.5k 1 year interval.Whilst customer service did eventually tell me this info. How come the dealers dont? they didn't even know there was anything at 6000 miles.Ironically it also says the car should be serviced in UK using variable service system unless its turned off and confirmed in a check box on maintenance pages.It would appear that this known as an A service in variable system.Over the life of my ownership this has now added a minimum £360 to service costs.So the service plan would have been a better option if the dealers/salesman told the truth when selling car.
I was told upfront that service is every 10k (km) on the car.
That is what I do on all my cars anyway. Oil change is cheap in compare to price of the car. It is a good way to protect your purchase . I end up changing the oil 3 times a year which costs me mere €300 in compare to purchase price of €30k. The numbers add up to me so I do not see a problem here.
In 20 years of every day driving not one car broke on me. I like to think that partial reason is the fact that I change the oil every 10k
Also do not forget that manufacturers make money on repairs but they do not want the car to break in warranty period. So they calculate oil changes and services to do just that. Not to take care of your car.
In the end I believe that if I take a good care of my car it will take a good care of me when it matters.
Also do not forget that manufacturers make money on repairs but they do not want the car to break in warranty period. So they calculate oil changes and services to do just that. Not to take care of your car.
Wow, you must have some ears if you can tell the oil has deteriorated once it hits 7-8k km.... I stick to every 10K Miles or 6 month, whatever comes first so I find I'm changing twice per year and while using fully Synthetic 0W-30 C2 I can not hear it getting worse.
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