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It is time change...1.5 (new) vs used 2.0 (ctr)

Hello dear forum,

As my 8th gen will pass 12 year mark soon, i was thinking about a new car (or slighty used).

I have two options.

New 1.5 with manual and sport plus package , 18" alloys and 17" alloys in winter conditions or...used ctr 2018" production.

Used ctr is quite common, taxes in Croatia are high for high powered cars, total cost for the ctr bought in Croatia is 50 000 euros (!!), which is double than 1.5.

My main question is for the both, owners of 1.5 and 2.0, are you satisfied with your cars?

Are they comfortable to drive?
Do you experience issues with it?
Are you happy with it?

I never drove 10 th gen

Third "concern" is...shall i wait for the facelifting model? Idk when it will be released.

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I am also thinking about a Gen 10 next year, so will be following this thread with interest. Im possibly looking at a 6-12 month old car and have been pondering the Sport, Sport Plus or the Premium. Sport models seem to come with enough toys to keep me happy, Sport Plus seems to just have the dynamic suspension(im sure there is more than just that) but command a 2k premium over standard Sport. Premium seems to be the same price as Sport models.
TBH I dont think there is any point in waiting for the facelift, Honda aren't noted for huge differences when they facelift the Civic.
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Go and test drive a 10th gen!!
I have had a 1.5 CVT Prestige for a month now. I love it. 182 bhp with the adaptive suspension, in a package that weighs less than a tonne and a half. It is great fun.
Both my first Civic(2012 9th gen 1.8 ES) and the 2015 CRV that followed it had clutch judder when cold. The Civic also had gear change issues. So for those reasons, I decided to try the CVT box and very impressive it is too, so far. Especially when you choose to use the flappy paddle gear change in the sport setting.
The comfort levels are better than I remember with the 9th gen Civic. With heated leather seats front and rear, I'm quite looking forward to the approaching cooler weather.
The latest Connect Infotainment system, is everything the previous one should have been!
So far it's all plusses for me. Every time I drive it, it puts a smile on my face.
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I will try it before buying it for sure.

CVT is a no go for me, i"ve been struggling with ishift for 12 years and there will be no automatic/cvt in a future, just plain and fun manual. I bet the cvt is an good option, but for me, and my experience with...better manual and with sport plus.

1.5 is overall for my milleage good choice (and optimum too), but ctr is a dream. It looks stunning!

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My only minor niggles with my 2018 CVT are:

1) Aircon whining sound, can be fixed under warranty (might not affect new models)
2) Rattling sound from steering wheel column
3) No spare tyre saver (but then again that's the same with all newer cars, you get that foam rubbish now)
4) Head unit kinda sucks, seems very dated, but does it's job
5) Wing mirrors doesn't auto fold when locking the car (my Audi S3 2015 did)
6) Car doors doesn't auto lock when driving off (my Audi S3 2015 did)

Other than that I'm quite happy with the car, don't plan on changing it any time soon as it's a decent sized family car
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My only minor niggles with my 2018 CVT are:

1) Aircon whining sound, can be fixed under warranty (might not affect new models)
2) Rattling sound from steering wheel column
3) No spare tyre saver (but then again that's the same with all newer cars, you get that foam rubbish now)
4) Head unit kinda sucks, seems very dated, but does it's job
5) Wing mirrors doesn't auto fold when locking the car (my Audi S3 2015 did)
6) Car doors doesn't auto lock when driving off (my Audi S3 2015 did)

Other than that I'm quite happy with the car, don't plan on changing it any time soon as it's a decent sized family car
I get a whining sound from the passenger seat area. Goes away when i drive it on my own though.
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The whining sound from the passenger seat area and the whine from the HVAC is 2 different things, the sound from the HVAC doesn't go away.
Once you hear it, it'll drive you mental!

It sounds like someone running a wet finger over a glass tip
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If money was no object I would get the ctr it keeps coming out on top in all the hot hatch group tests. But realistically I would get the sport it's a fantastic car, cheaper to buy insure tax more economical over 50 mpg cruising more comfortable ride less boy racer looks and less face it there isn't many places on public roads that you can exploit the full potential of the ctr, the sport can be summed up as a practical high spec cheap to run family car that also becomes a fun to drive warm hatch when you're in the mood, the manual gear box is fantastic. Mine has the bluespark tuning box fitted taking power up to 240hp and 320 nm torque it goes like a rocket and seems more economical too. I would of liked honda to put more sporty seats in it though like the USA Si model
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The whining sound from the passenger seat area and the whine from the HVAC is 2 different things, the sound from the HVAC doesn't go away.
Once you hear it, it'll drive you mental!

It sounds like someone running a wet finger over a glass tip
The whining from my passenger seat drives me mental, but women tend to do that (looks like my subtle attempt at humour was lost).
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Not on me it wasn't.
The A/C whine in the 10g seems to come from the evaporator, which is behind the centre console in the passenger (LH) side footwell. (I say 'seems to', as it's not actually the evaporator that causes the problem)
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If money was no object I would get the ctr it keeps coming out on top in all the hot hatch group tests. But realistically I would get the sport it's a fantastic car, cheaper to buy insure tax more economical over 50 mpg cruising more comfortable ride less boy racer looks and less face it there isn't many places on public roads that you can exploit the full potential of the ctr, the sport can be summed up as a practical high spec cheap to run family car that also becomes a fun to drive warm hatch when you're in the mood, the manual gear box is fantastic. Mine has the bluespark tuning box fitted taking power up to 240hp and 320 nm torque it goes like a rocket and seems more economical too. I would of liked honda to put more sporty seats in it though like the USA Si model
Yes, similar thinking, and to keep it real there is really no argument to consider ctr versus 1.5, BUT, always during my driving experience there is..."one day...i will".

I always consider fn2 to replace my 1.8 but the ride was too firm for the city even with 18", the 9th gen wasn"t really a thing to me, it didn"t attract me, even a ctr, but fk8..watched every review, it is on top, and even when i wish they had the contra argument that is not for the city, that the ride is awful, there is a "comfort" mode, which in reality it is a comfort mode .

Double the price of 1.5 in new state, in best i can pull of 15 000 euro more in used state...and when i consider that at one point around 2008 in Croatia was fn2 cost at 25 500 euro, and now fk8 50 000, it makes you think twice and in reality is a big no brainer for me, sadly.



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Hello @miki_st ,

I love my 1.5 Sport Plus CVT. My previous car was 9gen 1.8. sport

I love it because it's different that the other cars you can find on the market. Yes, Multimedia is bad, but you can survive that. I will change it for some third party in 2-3 years.

You want believe, but I love Cvt also. I'm so get to use it, it's difficult for me now to drive manual (btw, I have driving license since 1991).

No rattles in my case, everything is smooth and normal.

And 182 hp are more than enough.
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Tommorow will do checking on 1.5, i believe you for CVT, but, the ishift kind of ruined the automatic experience with civ. Overall is good on flappy paddle, but on auto, not so good. The CVT is a bless for a city

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You want believe, but I don't like CVT in the city. Why? Because of acceleration on the start. I feel like I don't have full control.

CVT is (in my opinion) great thing on highways, ie. like they have in Slovenia (lots of uphills and downhills), or on hilly roads in general. Also, you can use flappy paddles any time while you driving.

Of course, it is not like is in F1 or Ferrari kind of gearbox (ok, they don't have Cvt, but is flappy paddle also), it's not that fast and don't have that sharp feeling, but its good fun, especially for "F1 wanna be driver" in middle age crisis like I am


Send me/us your opinion tomorrow after test drive



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You want believe, but I don't like CVT in the city. Why? Because of acceleration on the start. I feel like I don't have full control.
Then use the flappy paddles to 'change down'.
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What's android auto like?

The infotainment system seems quite weak compared to cars like the Golf.
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Tested it today, and...man it is good . Spacious, good suspension, steering, speakers, acceleration, equipment...i"m in love.

Drove it with manual this morning, i will include in the offer summer tyres with 18" combo with 17" winter.

It is more than likely that i will order it.

The next question, if anyone has experience, do you drive/drove it with 18" ?
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Nope, I didn't had 18" as a option at all, only 235/45/R17. But I will love to have 18" one day


Glad you like it!

Do you have some pictures with 18"?

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The next question, if anyone has experience, do you drive/drove it with 18" ?

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My only minor niggles with my 2018 CVT are:

1) Aircon whining sound, can be fixed under warranty (might not affect new models)
2) Rattling sound from steering wheel column
3) No spare tyre saver (but then again that's the same with all newer cars, you get that foam rubbish now)
4) Head unit kinda sucks, seems very dated, but does it's job
5) Wing mirrors doesn't auto fold when locking the car (my Audi S3 2015 did)
6) Car doors doesn't auto lock when driving off (my Audi S3 2015 did)

Other than that I'm quite happy with the car, don't plan on changing it any time soon as it's a decent sized family car
Wing mirrors do fold when locking, second press of the button (& hold) unless you have the base SE model.
It appears you can set doors to lock on drive off, 2 separate mentions I found on line quote pages 117 & 138 in the manual though haven't checked it myself yet.
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Nope, I didn't had 18" as a option at all, only 235/45/R17. But I will love to have 18" one day


Glad you like it!

Do you have some pictures with 18"?
No, all the model were on 17" and even on streets are with 17", so no info how it looks or behave with inch higher.

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