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Hello everyone,

I have been a member for a long time when i was thinking of getting a Civic. Rather stupidly i eventually went for a Vauxhall Astra which has been gutless, fault prone and damn right boring to drive.

I have since seen the error of my ways and after the Astra gave up the ghost on me I need a new motor and I am looking at Honda.

I will be honest with you I am looking at both the Civic and the Accord. My budget is small and I have been looking at a diesel as I have a motorway commute to and from work each day and regularly visit Kent from South Yorkshire. I drive around 15k miles per year so was hoping a diesel made sense. With a 3k budget my options are somewhat limited to high milers. I have seen three i am going to go and look at later today hopefully so any quickfire advice would be great.

The 3 i have seen are

2006 Civic 2.2 EX in red with FSH and 114k on clock - 3295 so hope to knock them down a little.

2007 Civic 2.2 EX in a beige/chanpagne sort of colour with FSH and with 115k on clock at 3200 and again look to knock down a wee bit.

and finally an 2007 Accord 2.2 Sport in silver with FSH and 122k on clock for 2900

All have sat nav and parking sensors.

Any advice would be great and I thank you all in advance.

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The main problem you will find is on the diesel the clutch is not the best and can cost a good amount to have changed. The petrol will not be as cheap to run but the 1.8 is 100% bullet proof so I would maybe have a good look at all your options as the 1.8 can get around 45-50MPG on a run
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There's a decent looking diesel in the for sale section on here for 3400. Clutch and flywheel done. In Nottingham.
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Thanks for the reply.

If the clutch and flywheel have been changed previously are they likely to go again.

I thought i had read that Honda had improved this and if replaced they were a lot tougher but i am probably completely wrong.
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I don't know too much about the diesel tbh. Have you thought about the 1.8? 15K miles a year isn't too extreme and on a run I'm sure the 1.8 will return mid 40s. Factor in that petrol is now cheaper than diesel (or similar). Just a thought.
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I don't know too much about the diesel tbh. Have you thought about the 1.8? 15K miles a year isn't too extreme and on a run I'm sure the 1.8 will return mid 40s. Factor in that petrol is now cheaper than diesel (or similar). Just a thought.

Plus the fact it is cheaper to service and bullet proof and not as much to go wrong
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My 1.8 has done 122k and runs like new. Everything is smooth and runs well. Never had anything changed.

Though doing 15k a year I would image a diesel would be better.


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My 1.8 has done 122k and runs like new. Everything is smooth and runs well. Never had anything changed.

Though doing 15k a year I would image a diesel would be better.


Maybe so until you need a clutch or injectors or a turbo which are common things to wear out on high mileage diesels from all manufactures
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Plus the fact it is cheaper to service and bullet proof and not as much to go wrong
Yep. I owned a 1.8 for 3.5 years. From 5k to 39k miles, absolutely nothing went wrong.
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Thanks for all the replies.

I have been too look at a 2008 1.8 es which i liked with 88k on the clock. 1 owner with fsh for 3495. I did notice that there was a large crack in the perspex above the boot handle. and the glass on the wing mirror indicator was smashed off which would probably be a cheap fix but they have used some weird filler on it. It just looked a little scruffy if i'm honest.

I am hoping to go and look at another one later which is the ex model but has 96k on the clock (sorry its a 1.8 petrol as well). This one looks immaculate. I am worried about the 8k miles difference. Would that bother you if the car looks like it had been looked after better?
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I see there is one on ebay not far from you that has championship white fn2 alloys, for 2600.
Wouldn't worry about small fixes or mileage for that matter. Decent service history and a good thorough overall check is a good starting point.
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i forgot to say that while i do use motorways it is only when i travel to kent maybe 4 or 5 times a year i do serious mileage. To and from work is only 22 miles each way. Would you definitely go for a petrol?

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Personally, yes. I do just a few less miles a day for work and I have the type r
A punchy diesel like the 2.2 is very nice but the 1.8 is a more than adequate car.

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We have a 1.8 tourer and the wife does around 6miles each way to work in all stop start traffic plus also drops Lewis of at nursery so not the best for MPG while also using the car for work as a community nurse so again short 2-6 mile journeys in town. We average on a weekly basis around 33mpg which given the journeys in heavy town traffic is about right yet if we go to meadow hall at the weekend we would average around 40-45mpg depending on the weather. Now when I went to Skegvegas last summer driving across Lincolnshire with a steady 50-55MPH and a very light foot we got 48MPG which to be fair was spot on. I guess it all depends on where you drive and how you drive but the 1.8 is by far the most reliable and can produce decent MPG if you drive it right

I will also say that in the past I have owned 2 diesel cars and both cost me an arm and a leg, The Mercedes was just unreliable for the full ownership from 33k - 51k while the Toyota in the end was just very thirsty and truth be known it was cheaper to to run a Type R so unfortunately I am not the biggest diesel fan which may give me the wrong impression or advice for you but for sure a lot more to go wrong with a modern diesel and they are very expensive to fix so I would avoid a high mileage one especially if the service history is sketchy
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If the clutch has been done on the diesel (especially after 2009 when the final clutch revision became standard) then it should be fine. Be sure to floor it in 4th ~1800rpm to see if it slips.

Everything else about the 2.2 and the 1.8 is pretty solid, so if it feels good to drive and has a service history that suggests it's been looked after, there isn't much to worry about.

As for your mileage, you could get the 1.8 or 2.2 for that sort of driving. I have a 7mile commute, but still enjoy the diesel. Gets a bit more motorway driving during the weekends!
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Hello everyone,

I have been a member for a long time when i was thinking of getting a Civic. Rather stupidly i eventually went for a Vauxhall Astra which has been gutless, fault prone and damn right boring to drive.

I have since seen the error of my ways and after the Astra gave up the ghost on me I need a new motor and I am looking at Honda.

I will be honest with you I am looking at both the Civic and the Accord. My budget is small and I have been looking at a diesel as I have a motorway commute to and from work each day and regularly visit Kent from South Yorkshire. I drive around 15k miles per year so was hoping a diesel made sense. With a 3k budget my options are somewhat limited to high milers. I have seen three i am going to go and look at later today hopefully so any quickfire advice would be great.

The 3 i have seen are

2006 Civic 2.2 EX in red with FSH and 114k on clock - 3295 so hope to knock them down a little.

2007 Civic 2.2 EX in a beige/chanpagne sort of colour with FSH and with 115k on clock at 3200 and again look to knock down a wee bit.

and finally an 2007 Accord 2.2 Sport in silver with FSH and 122k on clock for 2900

All have sat nav and parking sensors.

Any advice would be great and I thank you all in advance.

Cheers

Paul
I own a 1.8 EX and i cant fault it, apart from a niggle with the air con that is being sorted shortly, a common fault on the civic, as for MPG have a read of this:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/general...ound-trip.html

I regularly get 43-47 MPG, I had a Citreon Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI before and the best i got was 42 MPG, (i hated that car lol)

Cheers
Neil

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Maybe so until you need a clutch or injectors or a turbo which are common things to wear out on high mileage diesels from all manufactures


Not to contridict what I said... But you just described why I avoid diesels.


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There's a decent looking diesel in the for sale section on here for 3400. Clutch and flywheel done. In Nottingham.
Thanks for the 'plug' Flashy.

Yes, the clutch and flywheel on my Civic were replaced by the dealer I bought it from. This was the main reason I chose this car (albeit, the car itself all ok). I was pretty sure had I chosen a car with no history of a clutch replacement, some way down the line would be looking at shelling out again when the clutch finally gave in.

Members who own the 2.2 will I'm sure universally testify how good these cars are. Mine is the third I've owned, so I certainly fall into that group!

No way would I be parting with the car were it not my partner's refusal to return to manual (she has the auto and one is to go).
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Thank you all for the replies. I am leaning towards the petrol i think but then i do like the diesel as well. It's a quandary.

These are the two i hope to look at later this week unless they go.

Diesel - Honda Civic 2.2 i CTDi EX 5dr

Petrol - Honda Civic 1.8 i VTEC EX 5dr

Any thoughts at all?
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also saw this and i have to admit i do like the Accord as well - Honda Accord 2.2 i CTDi Sport 4dr
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