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How "rattly" are the ctdi engines meant to be? Bought a civic on Tuesday and I have noticed it sounds quite "tickety" at lower revs/speeds. FSH done 137k.
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I was assured that some noise is harmless by the Honda tech who advised me on my chains swap... He specialised in the i-CTDi chain wear issue and had his own Accord with that engine. He also told me that wear causes vastly different noises, depending which chain and what actual part is worn. Mine was a concern because the noise was VERY apparent at idle when hot, so obviously a sign of a slack chain. Additionally mine suddenly became more noisy, which is what spurred me on to get the job done. Apparently the cam chain is the one that gets noisy (but hardly ever inddpendantly breaks) while the oil pump chain is the one that usually snaps (and wrecks the engine by the loss of oil pressure and/or fouling the cam chain, causing it to also break).
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Alright cool, hopefully mines ok then haha.
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Alright cool, hopefully mines ok then haha.
Hopefully. But don't ignore sudden changes to the noise!
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Hopefully. But don't ignore sudden changes to the noise!
I won't, but doesn't mean it's already wrong and I don't know what it sounded like before haha.
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I won't, but doesn't mean it's already wrong and I don't know what it sounded like before haha.
Fair point, it could be why the previous owner off-loaded it!
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Three times in the last few weeks the EML came on,on all occasions throwing our code P0339, Crankshaft position sensor,which garage relaced.
Other symptom was poor fuel consumption.
Garage told me if light was to come back on likely problem was stretched timing chain.
750 all in including new clutch replacement,said worth doing as engine has to come out anyway,and it is still on the original.
Cant complain at 153000 miles!
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P0339 merely indicates a sensor electrical circuit fault, this is a quite common issue and does NOT relate to (or indicate) a timing miscorrelation... a stretched cam chain on the i-CTDi does not generate such a warning.

The engine does not have to come out to replace either of the chains (or the clutch).
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P0339 merely indicates a sensor electrical circuit fault, this is a quite common issue and does NOT relate to (or indicate) a timing miscorrelation... a stretched cam chain on the i-CTDi does not generate such a warning.

The engine does not have to come out to replace either of the chains (or the clutch).
Might hold fire then Jon,see how the car runs for a while.
Cheers for that info.
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Might hold fire then Jon,see how the car runs for a while.
Cheers for that info.
I would go to a garage that has correct diagnostic equipment such as an oscilloscope that can check engine time buy monitoring both cam and crank sensors.

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A stretched cam chain is easy to tell on these... you get a weird rubbing, scratching, scraping rattle noise only when hot and only at idle. When cold or when revved the oil pressure rises enough to allow the tensioner to exert sufficient force to tension even a worn chain.

A stretched chain doesn't much affect performance on these.
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Update.
Three times in the last few weeks the EML came on,on all occasions throwing our code P0339, Crankshaft position sensor,which garage relaced.
Other symptom was poor fuel consumption.
Garage told me if light was to come back on likely problem was stretched timing chain.
750 all in including new clutch replacement,said worth doing as engine has to come out anyway,and it is still on the original.
Cant complain at 153000 miles!
That price sounds too good to be true for a clutch and timing chain. Did the garage warn you of potential issues and costs with injector removal?
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That price sounds too good to be true for a clutch and timing chain. Did the garage warn you of potential issues and costs with injector removal?
No ,they just quoted an all in price,500 for labour rest on parts.,if I decide to go ahead I will mention the issue with injectors,thanks for flagging that up.
Some great info and advice on this forum.
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The 2.2 Diesel '09 I'm about to buy makes a weird noise - but I'm not sure if they all sound like this as I've never owned a Civic before. It's kind of like a 'Fzzzzsshhh' sound that matches the engine revs. If I was to have a wild stab (probably pessimistic stab too, knowing me), I would say it sounds like a bicycle chain when you back-pedal fast.

The car has done 126,000 miles. Is there any way to test for a worn timing chain ?
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The 2.2 Diesel '09 I'm about to buy makes a weird noise - but I'm not sure if they all sound like this as I've never owned a Civic before. It's kind of like a 'Fzzzzsshhh' sound that matches the engine revs. If I was to have a wild stab (probably pessimistic stab too, knowing me), I would say it sounds like a bicycle chain when you back-pedal fast.

The car has done 126,000 miles. Is there any way to test for a worn timing chain ?
Can't be sure about the reason without hearing it for real... but that isn't normal!

Why on earth would you buy a car that made a worrying noise that could easily point to a significant problem?
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Can't be sure about the reason without hearing it for real... but that isn't normal!

Why on earth would you buy a car that made a worrying noise that could easily point to a significant problem?
Trust me - you do not want to know ! Google "the fretboard buying a car"
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