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I love Civic BUT..........

I have had my Civic from new and have been very pleased with it apart form the suspension/ road noise. I've had 2 replacement clutches replaced under warranty and this has decimated my confidence in the longevity of the new one due to the amount of miles I do. The dealer and I agree that he'll see me again for a new one, since the flywheel wasn't replaced. Based on my previous experiences, It is due to fail just as my warranty is due to expire, at about 85k miles. I know I'm concerned aboyut something in the future, but I'd rather put the money into another car now, than into a repair at a later date. I have decided to change and the Accord is the obvious choice. I've looked at a few exactly the same age as my Civic, also with the 6 speed 'box. I am however paranoid about buying another Honda with the dual mass flywheel. Is the transmission the same inb the Accord, I presume it is. I've seen a couple of threads on the internet about failing Accord clutches. Do you know if these failures are as widespread in the Accord as in the Civic?
Quite honestly, other than the Accord, there isn't another real world car that suits my needs, an economical over 2l diesel keeps me quids in with my Company mileage rate payments.
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I'd love the new Accord myself, its a very classy car.
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I think in fairness potentially the duel mass flywheel is an issue affecting diesel engines from other manufacturers not just Honda. I've seen stories of them going on Mondeo's and Passats.

Last week when I dropped off my company astra for service, the service manager was on the phone having a real humdinger with Vauxhall Warranty Department over a customers diesel Vectra. The dual mass fly wheel was less than the measurements shown in the latest technical bulletin. They also wanted to replace a slave cylinder at the same time and Vauxhall were up in arms at having to replace the parts.
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I asked my dealer about the clutch.
Since the diesel is there (5years) he had 1 clutch replacement, due to an accident.
In Belgium about all FRV, Accord, CRV and most Civic are Diesels.
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Thanks Stef for going to the trouble of asking. I just need to find the right Accord and someone prepared to offer a realistic price for my Civic. I don't think I'll be changing quickly though
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My diesel has done 26000miles since clutch and flywheel replacement without a sniff of trouble touch wood and it is dealing with over 300lb/ft of torque!
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I've had four new Accords in a row. Wonderful cars, in a different league from the Civic as far as build quality is concerned. I'd have had a fifth, too, rather than a Civic, but something else came up and I couldn't resist.

Go for the Accord. You can't go wrong.
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Well, it looks like the Civ is going, I called into a dealer I've never visited before and came up with the following deal, trade in mine with March 07 with 57k miles for July 08 Accord Sport GT with 10k for 5k, taxed and serviced. Any opinions?

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get the accord, deal sounds ok,had a vectra with dmf failure only 38000 on clock. traded it for my civic, after too many other probs with vectra, including alternator failure at 56000 miles 23 days out of warranty. vaux uk not the least bit interested, cost me 750 , stick with Honda.
p>s> wife had an accord 2.0 sport build quality was amazing, slightly let down by the civ in this department..
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I asked my dealer about the clutch.
Since the diesel is there (5years) he had 1 clutch replacement, due to an accident.
In Belgium about all FRV, Accord, CRV and most Civic are Diesels.
In Belgium about all cars are diesels. It's a widespread epidemic.
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Dealer told me that clutches have been a problem with some Civics, and that the non Euro built Hondas seem better put together, but then he would do, since he was trying to sell me one
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Well, it looks like the Civ is going, I called into a dealer I've never visited before and came up with the following deal, trade in mine with March 07 with 57k miles for July 08 Accord Sport GT with 10k for 5k, taxed and serviced. Any opinions?
The Accord Sport GT is a fabulous car - almost perfect (just a bit less road noise and it would be perfect). Go for it!
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So the Accord still suffers from road noise then Potsy? That's what I find annoying about the Civic but would be annoyed if I changed for a another car that still suffered road noise.

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It's miles better than the Civic for road noise. It's just that the engine is almost inaudible, so you just feel the road noise could be even better (which it is in the 09 Accord).

The Accord is in a different league to the Civic altogether.
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It's miles better than the Civic for road noise. It's just that the engine is almost inaudible, so you just feel the road noise could be even better (which it is in the 09 Accord).

The Accord is in a different league to the Civic altogether.
I agree, but it's not quite fast enough as standard. I am going to get mine re-mapped by Celtic soon. Also, my mpg is still way-off what Honda say I should get. We have moved house to a more rural area now, and I am having some fun on the small B-roads and my mpg has dropped to 35mpg!!
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I replaced clutch on my 2.0 ex accord,so there are problems with petrol not only diesel models...It really is a great car and you will not be dissapointed.The clutch problems are really matter of luck it seems Good luck with your new car
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Well, it looks like the Civ is going, I called into a dealer I've never visited before and came up with the following deal, trade in mine with March 07 with 57k miles for July 08 Accord Sport GT with 10k for 5k, taxed and serviced. Any opinions?
My 07 has 34k miles so I could get a similar deal - where were you offered this? Is that the latest shape Accord as well?

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Im guessing the Sport GT is the old model, the new sporty model is the ESGT or EXGT.
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Yes, the Sport GT is a special edition run-out of the old model:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/honda-a...-gt-2-2-a.html

It is a cross between the Sport and the EX. It has the dials, seats, and sports suspension from the Sport, and the Satnav and HFT from the EX. In my opinion it's the best of both worlds (the EX is a bit soft for me and the electric seats at their lowest position are a bit high). It also has a few styling bits, but they're tricky to spot (smoked chrome handles and funky grey wheels).

Remember, the old one is the product of all the subtle improvements and manufacturing changes made throught the cars life. It is a fantastic car to drive, but looks just a touch dated. The new car (well, the ones I've driven) feel a little "version 0.7": http://www.civinfo.com/forum/honda-a...7-vs-09-a.html
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The Sport GT sounds like a good one to go for then. I got my Civic from Holdcroft also (even though I live in Devon). They did a great deal and looked after me really well.

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