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Talking 2.2 i-dtec auto, celtic re-map

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I have finally got my 59reg 2.2 IDTEC Auto re-mapped by Celtic tuning. As posted in a previous post I had originally used a plug and play system but it just wasn't working out.

So I gave Celtic tuning a call on Friday morning as I had a planned trip to Helston to visit family and Roche is right on route. Celtic offered an in house service for £300 and had a free slot for 11:30 Saturday morning, to which I accepted.

As a typical bloke, I like to arrive early to ensure I get to the right place on time, however slightly misjudged my timing and arrived at 10:30. Luckily the staff are very helpful and were able to fit the car in early to get the work done.

Myself, wife and 3yr old took a 1 minute walk around the corner to the pub which opened at 11 for drinks and had a small play area for my daughter to have some fun.

So the phone rang about hour an half later to advise the re-map was almost uploaded and I was free to pop back. We I arrived at the work shop the engineer was just putting the bits back together as I think they had to take off the ECU to complete the work.

As a means of safety for my car it was advised NOT to run it on the dyno and even if they did the results would not be accurate.

The team offers you a test drive before paying so its a good job that the A30 is right out side (70mph dual carriageway). I noticed the first difference with the car the moment I started the engine..... very smooth start and quiet running whilst ticking over.

The acceleration down the slip road was the first OMG followed by a few **** beep beep words as this car took off. The Celtic team did advise that full potential would take between 100 - 200 mile to come into form. I only traveled a few mile up and down the A30 to ensure the car was smooth in each gear and just to check everything worked although I know they do!

I returned to the work shop and happily parted with my money, no questions worth every penny especially if this is going to get better. The family all jumped back in the car and we continued to Helston.

We returned to Cannock late this afternoon and the car has easily covered the required distance to give it some beans! On the drive to Celtic from Cannock I managed an average of 37.8mpg - on my journey home this climbed to 43.2mpg

Now the fun bit...... is it quick? Hell Yes!

In 3rd and 4th gear this car will race up to the 4000rpm with no effort, no blips in acceleration and the power doesn't just fall off a Cliff when you reach the 4000 mark. With the added kick of the torque converter to give the revs a little cheeky head start.

I would be brave enough to say that this auto in 3rd or 4th gear would strip the paint of its manual brother with no problem. from 30mph to 60mph in 3rd gear takes approx 2 seconds and plants you back into the comfy leather seats!

Am I pleased with the work of Celtic - YES YES YES this semi boring auto used as my company cruiser just turned into an exciting car to drive with the added economical benefit.

Tuned the car has 221bhp with 292ft/lb of torque (clutch protect level me thinks).

I have never had so much fun using the flappy paddles to change gear, and now the car should keep up with those other bmw/merc rep cars which always seemed to have the edge over this Honda.

Big thank you to Celtic tuning and also the comments and feedback Civinfo and its users provide.
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 27th March 2011, 22:57
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post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old 27th March 2011, 23:04 Thread Starter
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indeed it is. Absolutely transformed this car. Now I just need to find a nice shiny tail pipe to make it look a little more sporty and job done.
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The job is never done
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Is your automatic gearbox still ok?
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221 bhp? wow, thats more than celtic do on a 2.2 manual.
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No celtic figures are confusing on their web as the home page mentions a lower figure but when you check the 2.2 idtec application list it shows 221hp.

I guess no one ever really know until an individual car is on a rolling road. IME Celtic figures when on RR are about right.
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I don't know, I'd be suspect of that 221bhp, especially as they wouldn't run it on the dyno. Did they give a better reason other than for the safety of your car?

Not being funny just if they're going to quote a figure, they need to be able to back it up.
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I dont know John when mine was RR it was spot on, I dont know enough about idtec remaps to comment further.
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Neither do I, but it seems a little suspect a remap specialist refusing to put a car on the dyno. What would you say to a greengrocer who tried to sell you a 2lbs of apples, but wouldn't weigh them?
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If they looked like apples, smelt like apples and felt about 2lb I would say thanks very much and thats the tuning industry sorry grocery industry for you

BTW you look on celtic web they have a dyno print out for that map.
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Celtic couldn't stick this auto on the dyno because the honda auto has a bloody mind of its own! The manual function doesn't feature a true gear lock, so if they had tested the car in 4th gear - when getting close to the gears limit it would jump up to 5th.

The hand book states the auto box has gear lock unless the pre-selected gear is outside of operating perameters where the car takes over!!!

Since having the map done the auto box is fine, but i have noticed thet car is very on edge waiting to pounce if that makes sence? If bimbling along at 40mph in 4th the car seems to have a little creep where it almost wants you to put your foot down?

This engine is like the petrol IVTEC i find...... it seems to lack low down brunt but you get the engine above 2700 rpm and the thing takes of like a rocket and before you can blink your close to breaking the law!!!!
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One other thing I have noticed this last week.... this car does not like very short repeated journey's.

Over the past 2 weeks i have been out everyday but gone nomore than 2 miles. I had notice the last 3 mornings the car cranks for 3-5 seconds before starting where before 1-2 seconds. I took the car on a 10 mile trip and the next day fine, think the DPF is getting full!

Anyone else had this? (maybe a need topic needed).
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8th Gen DPF issues are a problem, a fair few customers are having to visit dealer for a forced DPF regen. They really dont seem to care for short journeys at all whether thats worse on a remap car I dont know.

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Sorry if its been answered and I mised it but the following confuses me

"As a means of safety for my car it was advised NOT to run it on the dyno and even if they did the results would not be accurate."

Sorry missed the post explaining. ooooooooops
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There are some instances of 8th gen DPF issues as monksy says - I've seen them on both mapped and non mapped cars so I don't think it's any better or worse on tuned cars.

A DPF Delete (once done properly) is the best way forward.
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One other thing I have noticed this last week.... this car does not like very short repeated journey's.

Over the past 2 weeks i have been out everyday but gone nomore than 2 miles. I had notice the last 3 mornings the car cranks for 3-5 seconds before starting where before 1-2 seconds. I took the car on a 10 mile trip and the next day fine, think the DPF is getting full!

Anyone else had this? (maybe a need topic needed).
No car will run great for too long, doing journeys that short - DPF or no DPF.
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No car will run great for too long, doing journeys that short - DPF or no DPF.
Yeah thought as much. Its off to sunny Slough tomorrow so a 320 mile round trip, that should blow the cob webs out.

Ill post on if it continues.
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If they looked like apples, smelt like apples and felt about 2lb I would say thanks very much and thats the tuning industry sorry grocery industry for you

BTW you look on celtic web they have a dyno print out for that map.
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Celtic couldn't stick this auto on the dyno because the honda auto has a bloody mind of its own! The manual function doesn't feature a true gear lock, so if they had tested the car in 4th gear - when getting close to the gears limit it would jump up to 5th.

The hand book states the auto box has gear lock unless the pre-selected gear is outside of operating perameters where the car takes over!!!

Since having the map done the auto box is fine, but i have noticed thet car is very on edge waiting to pounce if that makes sence? If bimbling along at 40mph in 4th the car seems to have a little creep where it almost wants you to put your foot down?

This engine is like the petrol IVTEC i find...... it seems to lack low down brunt but you get the engine above 2700 rpm and the thing takes of like a rocket and before you can blink your close to breaking the law!!!!
Ahh, auto, I overlooked that. Makes more sense.
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Hi James;

Any update on the remap
Is it still running?

thinking of a remap on my iDTEC CRV auto
It really needs more power to make the car more dynamic.
I know it is not a sports car, but a bit of fun could help a lot...
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