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25th February 2019 11:57
rogp1 what about MY 2022 police cars lol! you cant catch me officer
24th February 2019 18:35
Haltamer I can't wait to waft by the MY2022 Mclaren s12345 at 100, whilst they're kneecapped at 70!

I'll have to grab an FK8 in the next couple of years, then I'll have my forever cars
24th February 2019 16:30
Alcides How does this type of "news" ever come up in an adult forum like this one is supposed to be???
It's hear say, about some kind of misunderstood idea with no practical application. Roads and cars are ages away from offering the necessary reliability of information for this to ever work.
And, when that happens, what are they going to do to all our personal and privacy rights?

Think for a minute...
24th February 2019 14:40
Civic_Outcast As a Trucker (who drove trucks before the limiters were introduced) You have to use a completely different mindset.

On a hill where naturally a higher powered truck (or lighter) won't slow down as much you have to think "Can I complete the overtake and pull in leaving the other driver with enough braking distance before they return to cruise speed" ?

Our trucks now are nigh on 500 BHP but when diverted onto 2 way A roads I think..

"Wow, I used to overtake other freighted trucks just here in a little 290 ERF"
I must've been either been a complete **** or was confident I could "Boss Him" (not many female truckers back then) Probably a smidgen of twattedness to be honest but no-one ever crashed (I wasn't the only one who did that there).

I wouldn't dream of doing that now in our VASTLY more powerful trucks because if he did get the ******** you WOULD be left high & dry and there are plenty of so called professionals that would actually do that to make some kind of weird point !

When (if) these new restricted vehicles become commonplace on our highways it wont matter if you have an unrestricted vehicle because if you are in a line of traffic you can only go as fast as the lead vehicle !

It's the motorcycling fraternity I suspect that will be the most vocal.
Their 180mph+ R1 will only do.....

70mph !
24th February 2019 10:36
Das Were in that sticky point between still actually driving a car and fully autonomous flying Jetson Age cars. Look at all the electronic interference there is all ready, Automatic Braking, Automatic Handbrakes, Lane Assist, DRL's, Auto Lights, Auto wipers. Its only a matter of time before you wont need a drivers licence for new cars, because there will be no driving to do.
24th February 2019 10:23
scaramanga
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Originally Posted by Higgo8 View Post
Haha, how to create more road chaos.... I love it when I'm on a dual carriageway in the UK, and one truck is overtaking another truck who is doing maybe 1/2mph more at 56mph, speed limit is 70mph... 20 mins later, when the "faster " limited truck gets past, I can get on with my day.
was talking about this with a wagon driver just this week
the vehicle behind catches slip stream then pulls out and goes backwards when it hits the head wind

there was talk of this on bikes in recent years and the independent report did recommend it to be scrapped due to the fact it was dangerous if it cut mid overtake or bend

ive been riding bikes for over 34 years and im the first to admit there far to fast for road use but no way do I think a limiter is a good thing
24th February 2019 10:18
RA108
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Originally Posted by dudeeg View Post
Do you really think that 3 years from now this will take place?
No way.
We have roads where the signs are hardly visible (incorrect angle, incorrect placement (tree partly covering)) not to mention cases when a truck in front of you covers during driving.
So you say fallback to gps? In roads with high density gps misses many times and thinks you are on a parallel road, plus there is a need for a 100% updated map database with actual speedlimits.

There are many many factors that limits the operation of such system with such a reliability that you could connect a performance limiter.
This was a proposal from someone in some board, but others will have a lot to say against it.

And what do you think about the mixed traffic?
So my neighbour with a 18 years old junk will overtake me every time with a smile on his face?

I am pretty sure that in this form it is not going to happen in 2021.
TBH I think all that will happen if the car can't get a correct speed limit is it will remain with the current one. So the implications of that are if you go from a 20mph into a 40mph zone, and the system can't read either a road sign or access GPS, I'm guessing you'll end up limited to 20mph even though in a 40. The other option of course would be a default limit based on the type of road you're on. Again could cause chaos although I doubt the EU will care.

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Originally Posted by dudeeg View Post
One more quote from the "recommendation"

"The ETSC only recommends a “full on/off switch” for the limiters should be included “to aid public acceptance at introduction”, indicating it intends to push for even stricter rules in the future. While it would be possible to override the ISA by pushing hard on the accelerator, the system would be activated every time the car is started"
Reading several different accounts including the one above, my understanding is only the data logging can be turned off. The speed limiter will be permanently on. Although It says you can over ride the system by putting your foot down, the system will cut engine power within a second to bring the speed back down. You can't put your foot down and sustainably over ride the limit. It does say the EU may be considering preventing you from even turning off data logging in the future.

I somehow doubt the speed limiter will be defeatable. This isn't going to be a separate module like the limiters of old. This is going to be something built into the car from scratch, most likely into the ECU, and I imagine the EU will either require it to be locked entirely, so even dealers can't access this area of the ecu, or there will be some kind of reporting system in conjunction with the data logging that will note if the limiter is disabled and report you for prosecution. Either way, I doubt this is going to be defeatable when built in from the ground up and with the EU determined to enforce it.
24th February 2019 10:17
scaramanga
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Originally Posted by rogp1 View Post
On a positive note it should lead to cheaper car insurance
dream on
24th February 2019 09:50
Das This will only be implemented in "Rich" EU countries though. As per the norm the EU only enforces these things on Countries that dont stand up to it. Anyway wont be our problem as as of March the 29th we are no longer part of the EU Cash Cow.
24th February 2019 09:44
Farqui @flashy [emoji106] and i'll keep my v6 [emoji38]
24th February 2019 09:35
flashy
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What a daft idea.

Used car sales will get a boost tho.
I'll hang on to the ep3
24th February 2019 09:21
Kremmen There must be a young inexperienced team in Brussels bored stiff
24th February 2019 08:44
Higgo8 And more to M-8's point, what about roadworks when the speed limit changes? These can pop up anytime, so only the camera tech will know this..
So maybe a GPS/camera overide?
24th February 2019 08:42
M8TJT If it's GPS based, then there must be a database of speed changes v location. This is combined into the maps of GPS nav devices, and map makers have been notoriously tardy in updating speed limits and road layout changes.

And that's not introducing the factor of the frequency of map updates. Once per year as far as Honda is concerned, free for 5 years on a new car then paid for, hardly likely to keep speed limit data up to date especially when updates are voluntary.

AND car manufacturers are renowned in the rip off prices for their map updates when compared with the likes of TomTom and Garmin, both of whom sell devices with lifetime (free) map updates with new maps 3 or 4 times a year.

The shortcomings of speed limit recognition cameras/software has been done to death already.
24th February 2019 08:17
Kremmen Agreed.

All this new tech is making driving harder not easier. Long live my 9G
24th February 2019 08:08
Farqui What a daft idea.

Used car sales will get a boost tho.
24th February 2019 07:55
Higgo8 Haha, how to create more road chaos.... I love it when I'm on a dual carriageway in the UK, and one truck is overtaking another truck who is doing maybe 1/2mph more at 56mph, speed limit is 70mph... 20 mins later, when the "faster " limited truck gets past, I can get on with my day.
24th February 2019 06:21
peniole What a stupid idea from people who live in lala land. Not technically possible for all the reasons mentioned above.

I've tried the 10G intelligent limiter a few times. It's only use is when you can't set the cruse control because traffic keeps speeding up and slowing down (you can set ACC if you don't mind the car braking every 10 seconds). Even then it was hit and miss on very clearly signed new roads. GPS is no better, I'd like to see our cars' GPS work to begin with, let alone have the speed limits correctly updated in the system.

Now this is more like it...

https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22313/lon...-from-1km-away

I hate people who speed only to slow down to less than the speed limit because they know where a camera is, forcing people who are at the speed limit to slow down as well. As if doing 90 in a 100kph zone will get them a pat on the head from the camera people.
24th February 2019 05:57
dudeeg One more quote from the "recommendation"

"The ETSC only recommends a “full on/off switch” for the limiters should be included “to aid public acceptance at introduction”, indicating it intends to push for even stricter rules in the future. While it would be possible to override the ISA by pushing hard on the accelerator, the system would be activated every time the car is started"
24th February 2019 05:52
dudeeg Do you really think that 3 years from now this will take place?
No way.
We have roads where the signs are hardly visible (incorrect angle, incorrect placement (tree partly covering)) not to mention cases when a truck in front of you covers during driving.
So you say fallback to gps? In roads with high density gps misses many times and thinks you are on a parallel road, plus there is a need for a 100% updated map database with actual speedlimits.

There are many many factors that limits the operation of such system with such a reliability that you could connect a performance limiter.
This was a proposal from someone in some board, but others will have a lot to say against it.

And what do you think about the mixed traffic?
So my neighbour with a 18 years old junk will overtake me every time with a smile on his face?

I am pretty sure that in this form it is not going to happen in 2021.
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