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CRX owner "upgrading" to CTR

I have a dilemma, albeit a relatively nice one.

I am the proud owner of a EE8 (CRX VTEC) from 1993 (1992 year's model), with slightly over 221,000 km (that's about 137,000 miles for some of you guys). One of the very last sold, probably. 150 bhp originally but mine was slightly boosted by a renowned Honda specialist in France (Quagliozzi - some of you may know) to 168 bhp (mind you, it probably has less today, with age, although it certainly doesn't feel that way...). It's 17 years old, well maintained (but not fanatically well maintained), it has its little imperfections on the oustide (although you have to actively look for them), but the engine runs like a dream (I get praise every time I take the car for maintenance).

I've had this car now for 13 years and I absolutely LOVE IT. I have been on the verge of buying a new car a couple of times, but all it has taken is one test drive in the new [insert any car model here] and then another one in my trusty old CRX for me to scrap the idea. I just cannot bring myself around to change.

Problem is, I am now married and I have a 3-year old son. I take him to school in the mornings (5 minutes drive), and I can barely squeeze in his child seat in the back seat (my wife then picks him up in the afternoon with our "family" 4-door Peugeot 207 - cute car btw). But that's it, really. Any longer family trips will need to be in the 207 (smallest engine available... you get the picture). Also, my CRX has none of the fancy stuff that became pretty standard in the last 15 years (ABS, power steering, airbags, air conditioning) let alone some of the really cool high tech stuff you can get today like ESP or fully integrated GPS.

So last week I took the big step and finally placed my order for a brand new FN2 CTR Championship White (love its looks, love what I've read about it, but never test driven it).

Two questions:

1) Will I like it? How will my life change? Will I miss my CRX? Was this a bad move altogether...?

2) What to do with the CRX? Sell it? One of my cousins might want to buy it (which means I might see it again and even be able to take it for a swing some day...). Keep it? Am I just being unreasonable? I'm not big on pampering my cars every weekend. I love to drive them though. I do what must be done and take them for regular maintenance etc. But I'm not the kind of "has-my-own-car-workstation-in-my-garage" kind of guy. Also, I'm not filthy rich. I could not afford to maintain a stable of old sports cars, although I could probably afford the CTR, the CRX and the 207, with some minor sacrifices (although my wife might not fully agree...)

Any tips? Any similar experiences anyone would care to share? The CTR will be here in April...

sorry for the long post... got carried away...
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In answer to your questions;
(1) Yes, its proven that vtec improves your quality of life , yes, hopefully not.
(2) You've had the CRX for 13 years, if you can keep it, keep it, you'll be gutted if you get rid of it, if any of the cars have to go what about the 207 hehe
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Thanks for the tips gadgetman68. Oh, I know that VTEC improves quality of life greatly. Remember: my CRX is a VTEC model also , one of the first Honda VTECs really, if I'm not mistaken. I guess my biggest concern is that the CRX is really "raw" and I enjoy every second of driving it, while the CTR is probably more "civilized" and I am afraid I might feel "isolated from the road" if you get what I mean. In the CRX I feel one with the car. Never had that feeling in any other car, even (much) more powerful ones.
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Oh, and about getting rid of the 207... as much as it would indeed be the most logical thing to do , my wife would disagree as she's a new driver and would never dream of taking the CRX, and I can't really have her drive my new toy CTR now can I?!
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Re:CRX owner "upgrading" to CTR

looks like you are keeping all three then matey

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Hi CiTR, I too had the CRX vtec a number of years ago and have to agree it was raw, but also the best car i've ever had, pocket rocket.
Sadly an uninsured driver crashed into me and the car was a write off.
If it was me i would keep it, as the CTR is refined compared to the CRX.
unless you want to offer it to me for a good price as would love to have one again.
there was another lad posting on here about a week ago looking for one.
Mine was celestial blue, totally standard car.
We are so alike as i too still have a 206 2 litre turbo diesel, but could easily change for a CRX.

Also have to add that wifes in CTRs can be dangerous as i have found out to my horror, sorry wifes out there.

Best of luck deciding.
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unless you want to offer it to me for a good price as would love to have one again.
there was another lad posting on here about a week ago looking for one.
Keep in mind my CRX is French so it has the steering wheel on the wro... ahem correct side of the car
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Get's some pics of the 'REX up.
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Keep the Crx I have mine in the garage its great to have a Blast without the electronic aids and keep the reactions tight.

Your will love a type R but remember they Dont make them like they used too!!
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If the CRX was like the average 17 year old car I would say get rid ASAP.

From the sounds of it though it has been well looked after. I think for the amount of money you would get if you sold it it really isn't worth it. Keep it!!!

From the way you write about it you clearly love the car so why get rid of it? Keep it as something to drive every now and again to have the nostalgia moments
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Get's some pics of the 'REX up.
Will do. Just have to dig some recent ones up or perhaps take new ones.

I was in my late teens when the CRX came out. A friend's father would import cars from Denmark and Belgium to France (where he could sell them at a discount due to VAT differences) and he sometimes needed help to drive cars. Among lots of other interesting cars (e.g. the BMW Z1 and Toyota Supra to name but two that I remember), that's when I first met a ED9 (late model CRX witout VTEC), and later a EE9 (the very first Civic with VTEC). Love at first sting, with the looks and handling of the ED9 and the engine of the EE9 (I remember I got to drive one from Brussels to Paris). When the EE8, i.e. the best of two worlds (the VTEC engine in a CRX!!!), later came out, it was my dream car, and remained just that until I could afford one 7 years later, and the dream became reality.

These puppies were hard to find back then (imagine finding a relatively rare car without access to Internet, which was barely making it's entry into people's lives at that time). I remember calling Honda HQ in France and begging to get a list of all Honda dealers in the country, along with their fax numbers. I then had my PC make a fax mailing to each one of them during the night (when phone calls were cheaper) asking whether they by any chance had one for sale. My thinking was that since I couldn't buy a new one (the model was discontinued and replaced by the not-so-hot-in-my-opinion Del Sol), I at least wanted to get one that came with a dealer used-car warranty. And boy was I lucky to find my blue CRX VTEC, from probably the best Honda dealer in France at that. My father, who always was a big car enthusiast but was rather sceptical about Japanese cars, liked it so much that he almost instantly replaced my mother's Renault Clio Baccara with a new EK4 (the new, at the time, Civic VTEC). I loved my CRX so much, that when I later went to the USA to get a Master's degree, I could not sell it, and instead left it at my parents' place for almost 4 years. In the USA I had a Nissan 300Z and later a 1996 Golf GTI - both big disappointments as compared to my CRX, but that's another story. My very first car was a Citroen AX GT by the way. Very fun car (I know it was a big favorite of Car magazine at the time), but not as fun and well rounded as the CRX for sure!
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Ok, here are some pictures of my baby, taken today in my backyard. Unfortunately the lustre is not at its best after one week of commuting in snowy weather.

You can see my wife's black 207 in the background, and also my son's child seat squeezed into the back seat of the CRX. You may also notice (although it's difficult to read at this resolution) the discrete white Quagliozzi markings on the hood and in the back. The steering wheel is a Momo, which I actually already had in my AX GT.
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Will do. Just have to dig some recent ones up or perhaps take new ones.

I was in my late teens when the CRX came out. A friend's father would import cars from Denmark and Belgium to France (where he could sell them at a discount due to VAT differences) and he sometimes needed help to drive cars. Among lots of other interesting cars (e.g. the BMW Z1 and Toyota Supra to name but two that I remember), that's when I first met a ED9 (late model CRX witout VTEC), and later a EE9 (the very first Civic with VTEC). Love at first sting, with the looks and handling of the ED9 and the engine of the EE9 (I remember I got to drive one from Brussels to Paris). When the EE8, i.e. the best of two worlds (the VTEC engine in a CRX!!!), later came out, it was my dream car, and remained just that until I could afford one 7 years later, and the dream became reality.

These puppies were hard to find back then (imagine finding a relatively rare car without access to Internet, which was barely making it's entry into people's lives at that time). I remember calling Honda HQ in France and begging to get a list of all Honda dealers in the country, along with their fax numbers. I then had my PC make a fax mailing to each one of them during the night (when phone calls were cheaper) asking whether they by any chance had one for sale. My thinking was that since I couldn't buy a new one (the model was discontinued and replaced by the not-so-hot-in-my-opinion Del Sol), I at least wanted to get one that came with a dealer used-car warranty. And boy was I lucky to find my blue CRX VTEC, from probably the best Honda dealer in France at that. My father, who always was a big car enthusiast but was rather sceptical about Japanese cars, liked it so much that he almost instantly replaced my mother's Renault Clio Baccara with a new EK4 (the new, at the time, Civic VTEC). I loved my CRX so much, that when I later went to the USA to get a Master's degree, I could not sell it, and instead left it at my parents' place for almost 4 years. In the USA I had a Nissan 300Z and later a 1996 Golf GTI - both big disappointments as compared to my CRX, but that's another story. My very first car was a Citroen AX GT by the way. Very fun car (I know it was a big favorite of Car magazine at the time), but not as fun and well rounded as the CRX for sure!
Brought a tear to my eye that.. proper cars..

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Ok, here are some pictures of my baby, taken today in my backyard. Unfortunately the lustre is not at its best after one week of commuting in snowy weather.

You can see my wife's black 207 in the background, and also my son's child seat squeezed into the back seat of the CRX. You may also notice (although it's difficult to read at this resolution) the discrete white Quagliozzi markings on the hood and in the back. The steering wheel is a Momo, which I actually already had in my AX GT.
Awesome - keep it, sort out any dings/dents, get it slammed, stick on some mint wheels - stick a K20 in it.. and keep it
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Actually, it looks like my cousin really wants to buy my CRX. He's ready to fly down from Sweden and drive it all the way back! I think that's probably the best I could hope for, from my CRX's perspective. I know he will take good care of it. Plus, this way I will surely get to see it again some day

Although I do feel very sad about parting with it
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Ei hello here! ^^

I hope to contribute with my words from Spain (we have the same steering wheel side ).

My brother have one FN2, and I have 2 CRX. Not EE8, both are ED9.
Even being little D16s with 130hp, they are fast. As you must know, they are close to EE8 in response. FN2 just goes a bit faster than them.

Sometimes I can drive the FN2. What I feel coming from a bad-tempered CRX? That FN2 is fast, powerfull, but at the same time it is refined and comfortable to drive. And very fun too.

CRX is fun! but he is not refined , he is a little bad boy. Right?

If you can, keep this CRX. This type of CRX is becoming in rare ·old-school· car.

Anyway, if you have to sell it, who better than your cousin? you always can see the car and you will know that it is with somebody of your family.

I am curious to know what price would you ask for this baby. If it is not inconvenience in knowing it.

Good luck!
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Hello waff, and thanks for your post, which I think summarizes the whole situation in a nice way.

The bad little brother ED9 is a very nice car. The EE8 is quite rare in comparison, at least in France. I was initially planning to propose my "bad boy" for 3,500 euros, and would have been happy even if it got negotiated down to 3,000. Based on my research, this is the average price for a 17-year old EE8 in good (but not mint) condition, that requires some work to "freshen up". A perfectly freshened up version should sell for around 5,000 nowadays. But I have seen some crazy ads, where people are trying to sell ED9 CRXs for well over 7,000 euros!

The offer I have made my cousin, though, is to buy it for 2,000 euros. Plus I told him that he ever wants to sell it the future, I want a future buy-back option

What do you guys think?

I am aware my EE8 has a few defects, but nothing which is surprising for a 17-year old. It's main selling point, however, is that the engine is in absolute perfect shape, and the chassis is great. Overall, I think any new owner would absolutely love this car.

And waff, may I ask why you have two CRXs?
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Of course! I have 2 because my first one was a '88 model. All the whole chassis was very rusted (imported from Germany; snow, etc.) and the engine in bad situation. All the car was in bad shape, less the interiors that were perfect.

Somebody offered me a '91 unit with some reparable damage of chassis (of a little crash) for a very cheap price. I bought it and I swapped parts of the '88 unit to the '91 one. I drive the last ('91). But I still keep in my garage the other, for if all goes well, doing a "crazy plan" with him after restorig the chassis.

Yes, indeed the EE8 is rarer that ED9. ^^ And prices that you say are correct to me.
I Also have seen crazy owners selling their ED9 or EE8 for 5000-7000 Euros only because they were "super tuning cars"... They destroy a nice car and overprice it. Nice.

hehe, I am happy to know that you have all a bit clear. The idea of the cousin is nice. He would enjoy this car for a good price and you can buy it again if he doesn't need it anymore.
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Do you have any pictures of your CRXes to share?

I washed mine yesterday. Here are a few more pictures. Definitely looks better when she's clean...
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hehehe, so nice.

Yes, I have lots of pics, but I have to select them. I will post some tomorrow.

Thanks for pics.
Very nice colour for this car too.
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Hard Choice for you CITRouille !

My point of view : Keep it if you can afford it, if not go for the CTR...

The Civic is a Magic car, you have the feeling of a "refined" sport car with the capacity of a compact car ! Plus the Vtec factor
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