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Power output Type R vs. S2000

Please could somebody explain to me why the S2000 using a 2.0Vtec engine produces 243 BHP whilst the civic 2.0Vtec produces 'only' 200BHP??

Is this a cynical marketing ploy by HONDA to preserve the halo of effect of the S2000 - it's own flaghip can't be out performed by a Civic costing 10K less or is it a completely different engine unit fitted??

If the engine is the same - can anyone give any tips on releasing the extra horses - this would surely make it the top performer between all of its rivals??
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f20 (s2000) has a shorter stroke and larger bore hence than a k20. the top torque in a s2k is at 7k rpm and with a type-r there is more low-end torque
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The S2k also has a different intake and the ECU has a different map completely...

The exhaust is also a larger bore and the the entire VTEC delivery is completely different to the EP3 CTR and the new FN2 type...
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Isn't the S2000 engine completley hand built (or hand finished) adding to the cost of production. Also the S2k is reknowned for it's lack of torque so a peaky high revving engine would probably be too much of a compromise for what is a fairly heavy hatchback.
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...and 243 BHP through the front wheels is too much!
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...and 243 BHP through the front wheels is too much!
although too much is never enough
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...and 243 BHP through the front wheels is too much!
Yep, look at the Mazda 3 MPS, Astra VXR.

Also the K20 series engine in the Japanese Civic Type-R 4 door produces more then 220PS. So the K20 is capable of more, but that doesn't mean the most powerful version is the best for each platform.
The Integra Type-R also used the K20 and had around 220PS.
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Didn't they have LSD's?
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Yep, look at the Mazda 3 MPS, Astra VXR.
But they torque steer something shocking, especially the VXR.
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LOL - getting somewhat off topic now - but has anyone else tested the VXR Zafira?

Now that's an exercise in stupidity!
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Isnt the actual BHP on the type R 197? but they state its got 201....
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Think that its 201 PS and 198 BHP
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Isnt the actual BHP on the type R 197? but they state its got 201....
It's 201 PS, not BHP.

PS is a germen metric standard, which rather conveniently sounds *just* bigger than BHP, which car makers have siezed upon

1 PS = 0.986 BHP
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The s2000 doesnt use the k20, from memory is an h20, but dont quote me on that, ohh yea and hello every one
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re: s2000

I think the main reason why they didn't use s2000's engine is that it can't keep up with current eco norms.

Eco norms are also one of the reasons 2.2 cdti has 'only' 140 hp.
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been looking at the JDM ep3 call it what you will civic type rs...maybe getting one
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s2000 classic VTEC and the Type R I-VTEC
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I think the main reason why they didn't use s2000's engine is that it can't keep up with current eco norms.

Eco norms are also one of the reasons 2.2 cdti has 'only' 140 hp.
Interesting point about the 2.2 cdti.Looking at the higher output diesel vw's and Alfa's,they do have diesel particulate filters,while the (uk) Civic 2.2's,keeping things simpler, do'nt
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Interesting point about the 2.2 cdti.Looking at the higher output diesel vw's and Alfa's,they do have diesel particulate filters,while the (uk) Civic 2.2's,keeping things simpler, do'nt
?? 2.2 i-CTDIs have DPF installed, it's also in manual!
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Only a few Civic Diesels have DPF fitted, not them all.
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