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What is the official BHP of a stock CTR?! Some threads say 175 from a dyno some say 200-210?!
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They're all probably slightly different. Official is 198BHP though.
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They're all probably slightly different. Official is 198BHP though.
ranging from 175-210 does seem to be quite a big difference though! Surely that cant be right or fair if that is the case!
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6.4 to 60?? that cant be right. No-one can get a CTR to 60 that quick, can they?? I didnt think the old (ep9??) one was that quick.

Please feel free to correct me & mock btw
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Do you believe it with owning one?? sounds too quick if you ask me. Although ive never driven one lol
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Nice dry day, decent tread on the tyres, VSA off, bounce it off the limiter and let the clutch go, then double clutch all the way to 3rd gear and 62MPH/100KPH and yes it is achievable, I have done it!

And yes it's a quick car.

If you look on youtube someone has done it in 6.5 and filmed it.
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I think official time is 6.6 to 62mph/100kph. As a comparison, the official times for the EP3 were 6.8 (pre-facelift) and 6.6. (facelift).
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No 2 cars will be the same , its just your luck on the BHP front
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How much differnce would be expected?
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What is the official BHP of a stock CTR?! Some threads say 175 from a dyno some say 200-210?!
It just goes to show how much dynos vary, and how you shouldn't use dyno guess-a-matic flywheel figures to compare different cars.

Comparing atmospheric corrected wheel horsepower figures is a bit more valid, but still +/- 5-10 bhp. I have seen measurements ranging from 171 to 187 bhp.
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Obviously no 2 engines are the same, this probably defined more on the type-r as some of the engine parts and ports are hand polished and crafted.

I have yet to dyno mine but I'm sure after driving someone else's and the dealers demo that mine is more powerful, although running in is so important as I have previously said, and I aimed running in mine for maximum gains later.
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i had my car on the dyno and it was reading 151kw, converted in bhp is 204-205 , then it all depends on the weather, but 180 bhp sound not quiet right.
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So would anyone be able to take up a case with Honda if their Type-R's BHP was well down on the official figures?

I take it Honda must have a get-out-clause to stop people from complaining?
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There will be a slight difference between what std engines make but not that much. In this case the large differences can be due to the different dyno that are being used. Not really useful comparing cars using different dynos. Also bear in mind some hp might be calculated flywheel horsepower where others mights be wheel horse power.

Std power = 198bhp
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So would anyone be able to take up a case with Honda if their Type-R's BHP was well down on the official figures?

I take it Honda must have a get-out-clause to stop people from complaining?
How would you go about measuring the flywheel horsepower? (Have a read of my post above).
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Brochure/manufacturer stated PS = 201

1 pferdestarke = 0.9863201 horsepower

198.25BHP
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One thing to bear in mind is that manufacturer quote power figures are always at the flywheel. Dyno figures are taken at the wheels and 10-15% loss through the transmission is normal. As also said above no 2 dynos are the same so the only true comparison would e 2 cars doen back to back on the same dyno in exactly the same atmospheric conditions.
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We have tested quite a few new standard FN2's on our dyno and have yet to see one that makes "quoted" power.

They are all reading 205-208bhp and one came out at 212!
We actually ran a dyno day for local Type-R owners and the EP3's tested were making expected figures, a stock EP3 went on and made 198. The FN2 then went straight on making 212bhp.....Quite a few upset EP3 owners!

What you find on the K20A's is they make about 180bhp from new and that power slowly rises to optimum after about 15-20K. We certainly haven't seen this with the new K20Z motors.

An interesting point is the FD2's we have seen are making 230bhp+ totally stock as well.

Maybe we could do an FN2 dyno day pretty soon and invite along a stock EP3 for benchmarking.
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